About Sabbath

[LoveGodsWord]

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.


Colossians 2:16 is not merely talking about "ceremonial Sabbaths." The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint (the Jewish translation of the Old Testament into Greek). Paul's reasoning is clear, "Let no one judge you in regards to a


festival - yearly Sabbaths,

a new moon - monthly Sabbaths,

or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbaths (or Sabbath days)

Christ, he goes on to say is the "Substance", these things were shadows.


When compared with Galatians 4:9 we see an obvious connection in Paul's teaching:


"But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."


Verse 10 states, "you observe...",


days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days in Colossians 2)

months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Colossians 2)

seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Colossians 2)

and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)


Obviously Paul is talking about the observances of all Jewish holy days, including the weekly Sabbath.


The sequence “festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths” is found multiple times in the Old Testament (2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). At times the order is reversed and "new moon" is found in the middle. Since the festivals were annual and the new moons were monthly, the sequence implies that the Sabbaths were weekly.


The phrase "festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths" was used as a term to refer to all of Israel’s holy days, which means that this phrase must include the Sabbath, which is confirmed by Numbers 23, which lists Israel’s holy days, including the weekly Sabbath. The implication is that the weekly Sabbath was regarded as part of the system of holy days.


All the verses that refer to the sequence “festivals … new moons … Sabbaths” are a summary of the daily, weekly, monthly and annual sacrifices prescribed in Numbers 28. Many of these verses that refer to the sequence “festivals … new moons … Sabbaths” refer explicitly to sacrifices, for example:


The Sabbath in Colossians 2:16 includes the weekly Sabbaths because Colossians 2:16 is based on Numbers 28, and Numbers 28 include sacrifices for the weekly Sabbath:


Daily: “a continual burnt offering every day” (Numbers 28:3-8)

Weekly: “on the sabbath day … every sabbath” (Numbers 28:9-10)

Monthly: “at the beginning of each of your month” (new moons) (Numbers 28:11-15), and

Annual: the feast days (Numbers 28:16-40); “the LORD’S Passover” (Numbers 28:16), “feast, unleavened bread” (Numbers 28:17) and “the day of the first fruits” (Numbers 28:26).


The annual Sabbaths are already included in the "festivals" in the sequence "festivals … new moon … Sabbath day." (Colossians 2:16) If a Sabbath day merely meant the annual Sabbaths there would be a needless repetition. The evidence concludes that the Sabbath in Colossians 2:16-17 includes the weekly Sabbath.

No but let me show why from the scriptures and I might post separately on Colossians 2:16 shortly but very simply it is impossible for God’s 4th commandment to be a “shadow law” that Colossians 2:16-17 is referring to. Firstly the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the sabbaths in the annual feast days not the weekly Sabbath that is every seventh day of the week. There were many sabbaths in the annual Feast days and days of holy convocation that in the Greek are also termed “sabbaton” (Sabbath) because no work was allowed on these days which is one of the meanings of σάββατον G4521.

There were many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant that are fulfilled in the new covenant promise. None of these however are in reference to Gods' weekly Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11.

These annual shadow sabbaths connected to the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36.

It is impossible that Colossians 2:16 is in reference to God's 4th commandment as it a part of the "finished work of creation" *Genesis 2:1-3. There was no sin and no law and no plan of salvation for unfallen man when the Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3. Now notice something very important. God's 4th commandment does not point forward to things to come *Colossians 2:17 it points backward (Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy - Exodus 20:8). Gods 4th commandment points backwards because it is a memorial of the finished work of creation and the celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth...

Let’s look at the commandment that points backward not forwards...

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> {Because it is a memorial looking back to the finished work of creation that JESUS made it a Holy day of rest for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day} [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God {This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK}: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT. {Reference is backward not forward to Genesis 2:1-3}

Therefore, it is impossible for God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath to be a "shadow law" as all the "shadow laws" are laws to do with God's plan of salvation from sin after the fall of mankind from the Mosaic book of the law. God's Sabbath was created when there was no sin, no fall, no law and no plan of salvation because mankind was in perfect harmony with God. – So there is nothing there in reference to Gods’ 4th commandment not being a requirement for Christian living in the new testament.

Hope this was helpful (happy Sabbath)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello tall, sorry a little busy with work so I cannot spend as much time here as I would like now unfortunately. So I might pop back when I can so sorry for any slow replies which will continue unfortunately.

"the sabbath" in rendering the term, which is not accurate. Now, the reason this is important is that he didn't put "the sabbath" using the usual word for the sabbath. And if his point was to argue for "the sabbath" he certainly could have done so. But he noted a sabbath rest because the rest is in line with what he was talking about throughout, the rest offered "today" that we should not harden our hearts towards.

Well not really, as that all depends on what translation and language that is being used to render the term Sabbatismos and why I provided the Aramaic versions where your argument here does not apply but as stated earlier this is all only a distraction as whatever translation is used it simply does not matter as contexts and meaning to Sabbatismos in the Aramaic, Greek and Latin language along with the historical use of Sabbatizo (the verb form) in the Septuagint as well as historical words use in Christian and non-Christian literature is to “Sabbath keeping” or Sabbath observance”. There remains a Sabbath rest to the people of God (Greek language) or Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath (Aramaic language) are both accurate translations in their respective languages and both applied to “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance” that remain for the people of God because resting on the Sabbath (seventh day from the foundation of the world – Hebrews 4:3-4) is now the Sabbath is kept. This remains for those who believe and follow God’s Word to enter into.

Continued from points 1-3
4, Aramaic translations were also provided that support the Greek definitions provide above from to show the Syriac language meanings here

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Hebrews 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Lamsa Bible
Hebrews 4:9 It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

The Syriac translations also of course showing a different view of "sabbatismos" and an understanding of the words use at that time to “Sabbath keeping or Sabbath observance”. Here is a section of an interesting paper by Morgan 2016 on the Syriac understanding and use of Sabbatismos below.

"The original Syriac of the verse, “ מדין קים הו למשבתו לעמה דאלהא ” (read it right to left), clarifies sabbatismos further. A translated transliteration is: “MDYN (so then) QYM HU (it remains) LaMSheBaTU (to keep the Sabbath)11 LEMH (to the people) DALHA (of God).” A translated transliteration of the Greek of Hebrews 4:9 reads: “ara (so then) apoleipetai (remains) sabbatismos (Sabbath observance) tō laō (to the people) tou theou (of God).” From this we see that the Syriac and the Greek are very similar. Several scholars see the Greek as a translation of the Syriac. (See, for example, the evidence cited by Glenn David Bauscher in footnote 10.) Even if it is the other way around, it tells us what early Eastern believers understood the verse to mean. The Syriac word LaMSheBaTU in this verse is not a noun, but a verb. It begins with LaM-, which adds “to” before the verb. The rest of the verb means “keep the Sabbath.” Murdock’s translation of the Syriac is: “Therefore it is established, that the people of God are to have a sabbath.” Lamsa’s translation is more literal: “It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the sabbath.” What is remarkable about Lamsa’s translation is that he observed Sunday. So his translation is not because of his theological bent. Bauscher’s interlinear confirms Lamsa’s translation. (See his Plain English version, p. 260.) Victor Alexander’s interpretation inserts words that do not exist in the original language: “For if then Eashoa were to give them rest after He had called it, He would not have said that there would be another Day, Therefore, He rose to be the Sabbath for the nation of God” (Heb. 4:8, 9, Victor Alexander’s modern English translation of the Peshitta Aramaic New Testament, emphasis supplied). Alexander’s interpretation is not a proper translation of the verse.12 Cumulative evidence supports Lamsa’s translation. Bauscher’s translation of the Syriac shows the context for and the connection between verses 4 and 9.” (K. Morgan; 2016, Sabbatismos in Hebrews) More to come...

Your response here…

Please post the Aramaic text, and explain why "it is the duty of..." is more literal than the other.

There is no need I am not arguing one language translation is more literal than the other only providing different translations of the same scripture from different languages that are all in support of “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance that remains for the people of God. That is those who believe and follow Gods Word (Hebrews 4:1-3). You are already in agreement with this from previous conversations.

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[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ 5. Historical use of the root verb to sabbatismos which is sabbatizo that is used in the Septuagint has also been provided which is only ever used and applied to “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance” as shown in Exodus 16:30; Leviticus 23:32; 26:34 and 2 Chronicles 36:21.

Your response here...

Yes, and as the texts points out, that is not limited to the weekly Sabbath: Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.”

No one said that the Greek word use of Sabbatismos cannot be applied to other sabbaths apart from the weekly Sabbath. What was shown earlier though is that the overwhelming evidence shows that the use of the verb form of Sabbatismos in the Septuagint is only to "Sabbath keeping" or Sabbath observance. Sabbatismos however is in direct context in Hebrews 4:9 to the weekly Sabbath of the "seventh day" and is specifically connected to Gods' weekly 4th commandment created from the foundation of the world which is talking about the weekly Sabbath not the annual sabbaths in the Feast days (see Hebrews 4:1-5).

LoveGodsWord wrote: One of the ways to establish the meaning of a word is to look at the context of other uses of it in writings from the period. All these other uses of the word have the meaning "Sabbath keeping or Sabbath observance".

Your response here...

This is incorrect. There are only a handful of uses and some could apply to more than the weekly sabbath, and two of Origen's uses you have admitted to being not literal sabbath observance. And Chrysostom makes plain that he understands the meaning as "a sabbath keeping", but also does not interpret it as the 7th day Sabbath. So the argument based on usage does not uphold your position.

No. What you have posted here is not correct, but let me explain why. Showing historical use and meaning of words like Sabbatismos proves how they were understood at the time of their use and their intent of meaning. All uses supported in the old testament scriptures shown in Exodus 16:30; Leviticus 23:32; 26:34 and 2 Chronicles 36:21 from the Septuagint prove meaning us to "Sabbath keeping " and "Sabbath observance". All uses and meaning in Christian literature and outside of Christian literature (e.g. fPlutarch, De Superstitione 3, in Moralia 2. 166a; Justin (the Martyr), Dialog with Trypho 23.3; Epiphanius, The Panarion of Epiphanius of Salamis 30.2.2; Martyrium Petri et Pauli 1; Apostolic Constitution 2.36.2; Origen, Celsus 5.59; Origen, Commentarii in Evangelium Joannis 2.33.198; Origen, Prayer 27.16; Origen, Selecta in Exodum 12.289.7; Origen, Excerpta in Psalmos 17.144.31) except for Origen alone apply the meaning of Sabbatismos to "Sabbath keeping" and "Sabbath observance" as so the literal Greek and Aramaic language translations that all uphold what is being shared here. All this evidence of course all disagrees with your position. As posted earlier I can use any translation supported by scripture contexts in Hebrews 4 to show that the meaning of Hebrews 4:9 is stating that "Sabbath keeping" of "Sabbath observance" through resting remains for the people of God. This supports God's 4th commandment it does not abolish it as your trying to teach.

LoveGodsWord wrote: 6. The meaning of every word in the bible is not separated from context and interpretation is directly linked and tied into the scripture and chapter contexts of what is written before. It is the context here that is being argued linked to the Greek meaning of sabbatismos. For example, even if I was to only use the "Sabbath rest" interpretation of sabbatismos it also does not effect the context that I have already provided in Hebrews 4:1-5 showing that there are two rests being discussed here. One being to our rest that we receive by believing and following God's Word from Hebrews 4:1-3 and Gods rest/My rest/ His rest that is defined as the seventh day Sabbath from the foundation of the world in Hebrews 4:3-5 that those who believe Gods' Word (the gospel) enter into by faith.

Your response here...

It is in fact the context that makes the argument. And the context argument is clear. The rest spoken of throughout is the one that remains, that of faith.

According to the scripture contexts in Hebrews 4:1-5 there are two rests being discussed here. One being to our rest that we receive by believing and following God's Word from Hebrews 4:1-3 and Gods rest/My rest/ His rest that is defined as the seventh day Sabbath from the foundation of the world in Hebrews 4:3-5 that those who believe Gods' Word (the gospel) enter into by faith. The Sabbath is not separate from rest here as resting on the Sabbath is now we enter into God's rest that only those who believe Gods' Word (the gospel) enter into by faith.

And this is in line with the context of not hardening your heart in unbelief, as the people being written to were being encouraged not to do.

Agreed, those who do not believe and follow God's Word and continue in known unrepentant sin do not enter into Gods' seventh day Sabbath rest created from the foundation of the world *Hebrews 4:1-3.

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[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord wrote: 7, The “Sabbath rest” or “Sabbath keeping” that remains for the people of God from Hebrews 4:9 linked into the contexts of those who believe and those who do not believe as shown in Hebrews 3:12-19 and Hebrews 4:1-9 show that we cannot enter into God’s seventh day Sabbath rest *Hebrews 4:3-4 unless we first believe and follow God’s Word (gospel rest) *Hebrews 4:1-3. This links in very nicely with God’s promises in Ezekiel 20:12 and Ezekiel 20:20 of God’s perpetual Sabbath covenant to His people in Exodus 31:16 that show that Gods’ Sabbath remains as a sign to His people that we worship the true God of creation and it is this same God that created all things in Heaven and earth that sanctifies (saves) us from our sins (the gospel rest).

Your response...

Which is the point, they are the same rest.

No one enters into God’s rest without believing and following Gods’ Word according to Hebrews 4:1-5. The problem your having is that God’rest as defined in the scriptures as the “seventh day” Sabbath from the foundation of the world in Hebrews 4:3-4 which is in reference to the weekly Sabbath of Gods’ 4th commandment. You’re trying to separate Gods’ rest from the Sabbath which is not biblical. Hebrews 3:12-19 and Hebrews 4:1-12 is a warning that we can keep the seventh day Sabbath and not enter into God’s rest if we do not believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel rest). We which believe however do enter in (Hebrews 4:1-3). We cannot enter into Gods’ “seventh day Sabbath rest if we do not believe and follow his Word.

As the SDA Commentary pointed out, it does not in fact say that. It indicates the rest spoken of in the time of the Psalmist remains to be entered into today. They are the same rest. And even Ellen White commenting on vs. 9 says it is the rest of grace.

Sorry but I respectfully disagree but let me show why. The scriptures do indeed state that as Hebrew 3:12-19 and Hebrews 4:1-3 state that we cannot enter into Gods' rest if we do not believe and follow what God's Word says. Hebrews 4:1-5 show that there are two rests being spoken of here. One is our rest that re receive through believing and following God's Word *Hebrews 4:1-3 and the other is Gods' rest which is the seventh day created from the foundation of the world in Hebrews 4:3-4. So God's Word does indeed state this. As already posted. No I do not believe the bible commentaries view and yes the SOP supports what is being shared here as we must first enter the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word before we can enter into God's rest of the "seventh day" Sabbath created from the foundation of the world *Hebrews 4:3-4 that God's people enter into by faith.

LoveGodsWord wrote:8, It makes absolutely no sense to claim that sabbath keeping is not the meaning in Hebrews 4:9 when the Greek word shows σαββατισμός being used in verse 9. It that was true the Greek word κατάπαυσις σάββατον would have been used rather than σαββατισμός. This would be more consistent with the rest of the chapters use of κατάπαυσις in Hebrews 4:1; 3; 4; 8; 10; 11 but it doesn't. Clearly a different meaning is intended by using σαββατισμός to what was written previously. This is why historical use was provided in the earlier posts that show the root word sabbatizo in the Septuagint of the old testament shows the only time this word is ever used is to Sabbath keeping or Sabbath observance. Even outside of the scriptures historical use of sabbatismos is also, applied and used for sabbath keeping or sabbath observance. So to make a claim that this was not intended use is not biblical or historical as evidence has been shown that is supportive of the use of sabbatismos being applied to sabbath keeping and sabbath observance all through my posts. Once again this very same interpretation agreeing to the scripture contexts to God’s rest that is defined as the seventh day Sabbath in Hebrews 4:3-4 that Gods’ people enter into as they believe and follow Gods’ Word (the gospel) *Hebrews 4:1-3. Furthermore the Syriac interpretation is also supported in the Greek in the Aramaic and Lasma translations as "Sabbath keeping"

Your response here…

It makes perfect sense. If the meaning was "the sabbath" there is a noun regularly used for that. Instead he uses the indefinite description of a sabbath rest, because he already described what that rest was, and it was not the weekly sabbath. As Ellen White said it is the true rest of faith.

No, I believe your mistake here is trying to separate God’s rest which is defined in Hebrews 4:3-4 from rest which can’t be done. As the scriptures teach it is only by believing and following God’s Word that we enter into God’s “seventh day Sabbath rest” made from the foundation of the world. This is why God’s people kept the Sabbath but did not enter into God’s Sabbath rest because they did not believe and follow God’s Word. EGW agrees with this position that we must first believe and follow Gods’ Word before we can enter into God’s rest. We which believe is the context in Hebrews 4:1-3 enter into that rest through believing and following God’s Word. Rest is not separate from the Sabbath. We enter into God’s rest by believing Gods’ Word and resting on the Sabbath.

Moreover, you act like the word κατάπαυσις is not used in Sabbath contexts. It was already pointed out that it is. Genesis 2:2, Exodus 20:11, and Hebrews 4:4 etc. use it. As the SDA Bible commentary noted they are used interchangeably. But here the term a sabbath rest is used because it is indefinite by its nature, and it is referring to the same rest spoken of throughout. Which even from your own position would make no sense, because it was κατάπαυσις in Genesis 2:2 and Hebrews 4:4. You are making a distinction in the term used, but they used both regarding the sabbath. And the attribute that is notable is that the word used is indefinite.

No I have said or believe no such thing. The only time however Sabbatismos is used is in Hebrews 4:9 and definitions in Greek, Aramaic and Latin as well as historical use and meaning of this word is only to Sabbath keeping and Sabbath observance. Which is the context of Hebrews 3:12-19 and Hebrew 4:1-5. You cannot separate the Sabbath from rest as resting is how we keep the Sabbath that those who believe and follow Gods’ Word enter into through faith. Definition of course also defines God’s rest as the “seventh day” weekly Sabbath from the foundation of the world as shown in Hebrews 4:3-4.

LoveGodsWord Clearly a different meaning is intended by using σαββατισμός to what was written previously. This is why historical use was provided in the earlier posts that show the root word sabbatizo in the Septuagint of the old testament shows the only time this word is ever used is to Sabbath keeping or Sabbath observance. Even outside of the scriptures historical use of sabbatismos is also, applied and used for “sabbath keeping” or “sabbath observance”.

Your response…

But not just of the weekly Sabbath.

Yes, just the weekly Sabbath as this is the context of Hebrews 4:9. The context of Sabbatismos is to the “seventh day” weekly Sabbath from the foundation of the world already shown in Hebrews 4:3-4 (the weekly Sabbath).

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[LoveGodsWord]

Part of the struggle for Adventists is that when they read that the rest of God from His creative works was on the seventh-day, they immediately associate it with the Sabbath command.

No. Part of the struggle with those who seek to deny Gods’ 4th commandment is that when they read the rest from God’s creative work that was done on the “seventh day” they immediately seek to separate "rest" from the "seventh day Sabbath" to which the "Sabbath rest" is linked to when it is Sabbath rest that remains for the people of God *Hebrews 4:9. This of course being from God’s 4th commandment made in Genesis 2:1-3 that according to Jesus God made for all mankind as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the only true God and creator of Heaven and Earth.

God’s 4th commandment points backward to the finished work of creation (not forward to things to come – Colossians 2:17). This is verified in God’s 4th commandment that is one of God’s 10 commandments that define what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20: Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11 when it says “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy *Exodus 20:8. The reason why God gave the Sabbath is also verified in Exodus 20:11 where it says; For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it which is a reference again back to Genesis 2:1-3 just the same as Hebrews 4:3-4 is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 of God’s seventh day Sabbath rest from creation.

So to try and separate God's rest defined in Hebrews 4:3-4 which is the "seventh day" Sabbath rest made at creation from the foundation of the world *Genesis 2:2 is simply not biblical because your trying to separate rest from Sabbath and it is the Sabbath rest that Gods' remain for the people of God (those who believe and follow Gods' Word) to enter into by faith..

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But while all of us see God resting on the seventh-day, and the Sabbath being a commemoration of that, the difference is we recognize the text in Genesis 2 and Hebrews 4 does not indicate people keeping Sabbath, but God resting. It is this resting of God from His creative works that is referenced, and the application made is to us resting from our works, and responding in faith. The people in the wilderness doubted and drew back, because they feared the giants and doubted God's power. We are not to do so, but to trust in Him and not harden our hearts "today", so that we may still enter that rest. The Sabbath was given as a sign as Ex 31, and Ezekiel point out. Just as the Sabbath command to the Israelites looked back to the rest of God at creation, so this passage looks back to the rest of God from His woks, and invites us by belief to also rest from our works in, to use the phrase of Ellen White, the true rest of faith.

According to the scriptures the people of God followed the Sabbath but they did not enter into Gods Sabbath rest. There is a difference here and this is what the warning is over. According to Hebrews 3:12-19 we see Gods’ people who were Sabbath keeping without entering into God’s Sabbath rest because they did not believe and follow God’s Word.

Where the problem of many are here that seek to justify breaking God’s 4th commandment is that they cannot see that it is through disobedience and sin that Gods people did not enter into Gods’ seventh day Sabbath rest as shown in Hebrews 3:12-19 and Hebrews 3:1-3. We can therefore keep the Sabbath but not enter into Gods’ “seventh day” Sabbath rest despite the rest being available from the foundation of the world as shown in Hebrews 4:3-4.

We which believe therefore enter into rest. Those who do not believe even though they may keep the seventh day Sabbath do not enter into God’s rest. The “Sabbath rest” or “Sabbath keeping” that remains for the people of God from Hebrews 4:9 linked into the contexts are to those who believe and those who do not believe as shown in Hebrews 3:12-19 and Hebrews 4:1-9 show that we cannot enter into God’s seventh day Sabbath rest *Hebrews 4:3-4 unless we first believe and follow God’s Word (gospel rest) *Hebrews 4:1-3.

This links in very nicely with God’s promises in Ezekiel 20:12 and Ezekiel 20:20 of God’s perpetual Sabbath covenant to His people in Exodus 31:16 that show that Gods’ Sabbath remains as a sign to His people that we worship the true God of creation and it is this same God that created all things in Heaven and earth that sanctifies (saves) us from our sins (the gospel rest).

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[LoveGodsWord]

If you look at what the text says about God's rest, rather than immediately reading in the weekly sabbath there is no issue.

The problem you run into here however is that “God’s rest / My rest / or His Rest from Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 4-5; 10 is defined in the scripture as Gods’ “seventh day” Sabbath created from the foundation of the world in Hebrews 4:3-4. You are trying to separate rest from the context of the “seventh day” Sabbath from the foundation of the world which disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I offer the following not as proof, as it is not Scripture, but just to phrase part of the issue another way:

Justin Martyr Dialoge with Trypho

Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned, though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Araham with all his descendants until Moses


Irenaeus Against Heresies

And that man was not justified by these things, but that they were given as a sign to the people, this fact shows, that Abraham himself, without circumcision and without observance of Sabbaths, “believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness; and he was called the friend of

God.”


Tertullian An Answer to the Jews

Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended; while He accepted what he was offering in simplicity of heart, and reprobated the sacrifice of his brother Cain, who was not rightly dividing what he was offering. Noah also, uncircumcised--yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath--God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and in-observant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world; who did not first taste death, in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might by this time show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God. Melchizedek also, "the priest of the most high God," uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God. Lot, withal, the brother of Abraham, proves that it was for the merits of righteousness, without observance of the law, that he was freed from the conflagration of the Sodomites. But Abraham, was circumcised. Yes, but he pleased God before his circumcision; nor yet did he observe the Sabbath. For he had "accepted" circumcision; but such as was to be for "a sign" of that time, not for a prerogative title to salvation.

As you stated in your own words this is only the opinions of men outside of the scriptures. Why post them? For me only God’s Word and true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. According to Jesus those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not worshiping God as God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth (Matthew 15:3-9; John 4:23-24. God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God. Hebrews 4 is a warning that if we do not believe and follow Gods’ Word we will never enter into Gods rest. There is no separation of God’s rest as defined in Hebrews 4:3-4 from the “seventh day” Sabbath of God’s 4th commandment that he commands to keep as a Holy day of rest and that is one of God’s 10 commandments that define what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This I agree with completely. The speaking was from Sinai--not the garden. And that is what I am referring to. The commandment was spoken by God at Sinai. But while relating the command He also related historical events, which the commandment commemorates: Heb 4:4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.”

Unfortunately, the scriptures do not support this view that Hebrews 4:4 is a reference to Exodus 20:8-11. Hebrews 4:4 For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. This is not written in God’s 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 it is written in Genesis 2:2 where it says Genesis 2:2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

The above also agreeing with the context of Hebrews 4:3 that says For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Which is clearly talking about the Sabbath of creation “from the foundation of the world” not Exodus.

That said of course God’s 4th commandment is linked directly to Sabbath keeping which is one of God’s 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11 and the reason for Gods’ Sabbath commandment is also stated in Exodus 20:11 which is because God after he created all things in Heaven and earth, blessed the “seventh day” and made “the seventh day” a holy day of rest for His people.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The historical act of resting was in the past, and related by God in His own voice. The commemoration of it is the Sabbath command, given to Israel.

What you say here and what you have said to me in the past seems confusing. You have agreed with me in the past that Gods’ true Israel in the new covenant are all those who now believe and follow Gods’ Word (e.g. Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29). According to the scriptures in the new covenant Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. There is not one set of laws for gentile believers and another set of laws for Jewish believers as the scriptures teach that all believers are all believers and followers of God’s Word are all one in Christ *Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Ephesians 2:11-13.

According to the scriptures if we are not a part of God’s Israel as have no part in God’s new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. So of course, all God’s laws apply equally to all Christians in the new covenant. So if God’s law including the Sabbath was given to Israel in the old covenant it is also given to all of God’s people in the new covenant who are Israel as Gods’ 4th commandment “seventh day” Sabbath is one of God’s 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Psalms 119:172 and are the standard of moral right doing to God and our fellow man and how love is expressed to both God and man *Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40; James 2:8-12.

So the Sabbath is a sign to Gods’ true Israel in the new covenant that we worship the only true God of creation and that it is a sign to us that this same God of creation saves us from our sins being also an everlasting covenant to Israel as shown in the scriptures from Ezekiel 20:12; 20; Exodus 31:16. As posted earlier if we are not a part of God’s Israel we have no part in Gods’ new covenant promise of a new heart to be born again through faith to love which promise is to Gods’ Israel defined in the new covenant scriptures as all those who believe and follow Gods’ Word *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

The new covenant promise now being to God’s Israel defined in the scriptures as all those who believe and follow God’s Word. Hebrews 8:10-12 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. If we are not a part of Gods’ Israel in the new covenant we have no part in God’s new covenant promise. According to the scriptures this includes God’s 4th commandment “seventh day” Sabbath which is an everlasting covenant to Gods’ Israel (those who now through faith believe and follow Gods’ Word).

Therefore if God's Israel in the new covenant is no longer those who are born in the flesh but all those who are now born in the Spirit (John 3:3-7) who do not practice sin (breaking God's commandments) *1 John 3:4-9 then all of Gods' Word including the everlasting Sabbath covenant *Exodus 31:16 is still a sign to Gods' people that we worship the only true God of creation and it is this same God of creation that saves us from our sins under the new covenant based on better promises *Ezekiel 20:12; 20; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:1-6. God's Israel are no longer those in the flesh but all those in the Spirit who through faith believe and follow Gods' Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hebrews references the original rest, of which the later commandment was a memorial. However, some (including but not limited to Adventists) read into this reference to God's rest something else. They think that God not only rested after His creative works, but also gave the commandment to Adam in the garden. But that is not stated in the text. What is stated in the text is that the Sabbath is introduced in Exodus 16, and is then commanded by God's own voice, and then memorialized in stone as part of the tables of the testimony. Exodus 31 relates that it is a sign with Israel, and references the tablet. So the sabbath is a commemoration of the historical event which is being referenced in Hebrews. What is stated in the text is that the Sabbath is introduced in Exodus 16, and is then commanded by God's own voice, and then memorialized in stone as part of the tables of the testimony. Exodus 31 relates that it is a sign with Israel, and references the tablet. So the sabbath is a commemoration of the historical event which is being referenced in Hebrews.

Another interesting point to consider here is that according to the scriptures in Hebrews 4:4

Hebrews 4:4 [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

is a direct reference the original rest in Genesis 2:2…

Genesis 2:2 [2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Then of course we read in Genesis 2:3 the making of the Sabbath for mankind…

Genesis 2:3 [3], And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made.

No one needs to read into the scriptures to show what the scripture actually says. According to the scriptures Gods’ rest (My rest / His rest) is then defined as “seventh day” Sabbath from the foundation of the world made for all mankind *Mark 2:27 in Genesis 2:1-3 on the “seventh day” of the creation week that God rested on. Therefore God’s rest / My rest / His rest of Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 4-5; 10 that those who did not believe Gods’ Word and disobeyed Gods’ Word did not enter into Gods Sabbath rest even though they may have outwardly kept the seventh day.

As the scriptures teach those who did not believe did not enter into Gods’ rest that scripture defines as the “seventh day” of the week but we who believe do enter into Gods’ rest. That is we receive Gods’ Sabbath rest on the seventh day as we believe and follow Gods’ Word. Another interesting point to not in Genesis 2:2 the rest here spoken of is the root word for Sabbath and in Hebrew is H7673; שָׁבַת (shâbath) and means to “keep Sabbath” which once again agrees with Hebrews 4:9 σαββατισμός Sabbatismos and its meaning of Sabbath keeping or Sabbath observance. Some however try to separate God’s rest defined as the “seventh day” from the foundation of the world in Hebrews 4:4 quoting Genesis 2:2 from the Sabbath that God rested on (His rest / My rest of Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 4-5; 10) to make the scriptures say things that they do not say.

Some it seems make the mistake of trying to separate God’s rest from the Sabbath as the rest here is that of God’s rest from the “seventh day” of the creation week (Sabbath) that God rested on (God’s rest / His rest / My rest from of Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 4-5; 10), which was when God made the Sabbath according to Jesus in Mark 2:27 for all mankind. There was only Adam and Eve when God made the Sabbath for man. Adam and Eve according to the scriptures were created on the 6th day of creation according to Genesis 1:26-31 while the Sabbath was made for mankind on the seventh day of creation when God rested from His work of creation according to Genesis 2:1-3 and we which believe enter into that rest (Hebrews 4:1-3)

These of course are all Gods' Word not mine.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

To put it another way, Adventists at times will say that Exodus is quoting from Genesis. Because Ellen White states so they also think Moses wrote the book of Genesis while in Midian, prior to these words being spoken (some others believe this as well, but not on the basis of holding to an inspired author, and not from a biblical statement that I am aware of).

No dear friend but let me explain why again. According to the scriptures Exodus 20:8-11 is quoting Genesis 2:1-3 because scripture says so. Let’s now look at what the scriptures teach.

Genesis 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED from all his work which God created and made.

Links to God’s 4th Commandment

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Referring to GENESIS 2:1-3]

Not hard read what the scripture say verbatim in Exodus 20:11 which is a direct reference back to Genesis 2:1-3. Look also at the HEBREW WORD meanings again...

Genesis 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.

The Hebrew word for RESTED used here is שׁבת; shâbath (H7673). It's meaning is; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, KEEP SABBATH, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) is the ORIGIN or ROOT word for שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676) which is used in God's 4th commandments translated into english as SABBATH. The HEBREW Word for shabbâth meaing is the intermission between SABBATHS or shâbath (H7673) REST or the continuation meaing from one SABBATH REST to the Next SABBATH REST continuation or EVERY SABBATH. It's application is in God's 4th commandment EXODUS 20:8 is to REMEMBER [EVERY] Sabbath [shabbâth H7676].

In the 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11; v11 tells us the ORIGINS of God's 4th commandments Sabbath is in reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 and the reason why it is given as a memorial of creation to whorship God as the creator of Heaven and Earth. So it is God’s Word in Gods’ 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 that is referring back to the origin of the Sabbath when it was made on the “seventh day” of the creation week when God rested (His Rest / My rest of Hebrew 3:12-19; Hebrews 4:11) on the “seventh day of the creation week (from the foundation of the world Hebrews 4:4; Genesis 2:2; Exodus 20:8-11) and “blessed the seventh day of the week” and “set apart” the “seventh day” of the week as a holy day of rest for all mankind (Mark 2:27).

So no! It is scripture and scripture alone from biblical statement that shows that Gods’ 4th commandment in Exodus 20:11 is quoting from Genesis 2:1-3.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

@Strong in Him

I do not know how to use the quotes so I am going to use your quotes below in blue.

No, he didn't LITERALLY spell it out.
God rested on the 7th day, after he had finished his work. What was the 7th day then? We don't know - but certainly not Saturday, which was named, much later, after a planet and a pagan god. The Israelites called it something completely different - therefore it was not literally spelled out for us.

We know that Saturday is the 7th day of the week because Sunday is the first day - when Jesus rose again; a fact which is celebrated in Scripture.

Thanks for the response back. I am having a hard time following you here. You say we know that Saturday is the seventh day because Sunday is the first day. I agree, but how is it that God did not spell that out for us. He clearly wrote with His own finger that the seventh day is His holy day. Maybe you can take another read on God’s 4th commandment...

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


And if someone works on 6 days and has a day, or more likely 2, of rest, they are doing what God commanded - resting after their labour.
It would not be possible for everybody to stop working on any given day - people, and animals, get sick, may be unlucky enough to be in an accident/fire/flood, or need help or mental health support.

Yes, Jesus addressed this point multiple times during His ministry. He declared it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Mathew 12:11-13, Luke 14:1-5 The Sabbath is God’s holy day and we are supposed set aside our week-day pleasures Isaiah 58:13,14 but if someone is sick that cannot wait until after Sabbath you are not breaking God’s Sabbath by helping them.

"Sabbath was made for man" = "human beings need one day to rest, recover etc after working hard" - which is the example that God gave us.
Do you really think he needed to "rest" after creating the universe?
Do you really think that he had one day without doing anything at all? What happened during that day - was God absent from his universe? Where did he go?


No, I do not think God needs to rest and agree, which is why Jesus said the Sabbath is made for man, which includes all of us. It is a day to keep holy and rest from all our work. I use it as a day of communion with our Savior. In keeping God’s Sabbath we enter into God’s rest and His Sabbath is meant to be a blessing and a delight.


No, the 10 commandments are all valid and in force, because Jesus affirmed them - I never said otherwise.
I am just saying that if we rest on one day of the week, we are honouring the Sabbath just as God asked - it's not a sin if that day of rest is on a Tuesday or Thursday rather than a Saturday or Sunday.

I agree with you that the Ten Commandments are still in force, but God made it pretty clear which day is His Sabbath. He never said to keep Holy a Sabbath or a day, He very clearly specified the seventh day Exodus 20:8-11. I think it’s important to honor what God says and not change it. Like in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve could eat from any tree but one and that first bite from the forbidden tree changed everything. It’s the same with God’s Sabbath, He choose the seventh day to keep holy and rest, who are we to make alterations to one of His commandments, especially the day He choose to keep as His holy day and asked us to REMEMBER. God bless and Happy Sabbath, hope this helps.

 

[tall73]

Tall73:"the sabbath" in rendering the term, which is not accurate. Now, the reason this is important is that he didn't put "the sabbath" using the usual word for the sabbath. And if his point was to argue for "the sabbath" he certainly could have done so. But he noted a sabbath rest because the rest is in line with what he was talking about throughout, the rest offered "today" that we should not harden our hearts towards.

Well not really, as that all depends on what translation and language that is being used to render the term Sabbatismos and why I provided the Aramaic versions where your argument here does not apply but as stated earlier this is all only a distraction as whatever translation is used it simply does not matter as contexts and meaning to Sabbatismos in the Aramaic, Greek and Latin language along with the historical use of Sabbatizo (the verb form) in the Septuagint as well as historical words use in Christian and non-Christian literature is to “Sabbath keeping” or Sabbath observance”.

You have alluded to, but presented no evidence on the possibility that the book was written in something other than Greek. You would need to demonstrate that. Jerome researched such things considerably. He indicated that the gospel of Matthew existed in a Hebrew version, (which Epiphanius verifies). But he indicated the others were written in Greek.

I now speak of the New Testament, which is undoubtedly Greek, except the Apostle Matthew, who had first set forth the Gospel of Christ in Hebrew letters in Judea.
Letter from Jerome to Pope Damasus.

Nor is it clear how the Aramaic would help you anyway as you posted multiple translations that read quite differently, and when I asked you to show the text and why one was more literal you declined.

It is indefinite. You said last time you have no problem with that. And now you put "well not really".

It has no article.

There is no need I am not arguing one language translation is more literal than the other

You argued one Aramaic translation was more literal than the other, but did not demonstrate that. And if you want to argue that it was written in another language you would have to demonstrate that.

 

[tall73]

No one said that the Greek word use of Sabbatismos cannot be applied to other sabbaths apart from the weekly Sabbath.

Which is why rendering it "the sabbath" would not make sense when it is indefinite, and can refer by its nature to various sabbath rests.


Tall73: This is incorrect. There are only a handful of uses and some could apply to more than the weekly sabbath, and two of Origen's uses you have admitted to being not literal sabbath observance. And Chrysostom makes plain that he understands the meaning as "a sabbath keeping", but also does not interpret it as the 7th day Sabbath. So the argument based on usage does not uphold your position.

All uses and meaning in Christian literature and outside of Christian literature (e.g. fPlutarch, De Superstitione 3, in Moralia 2. 166a; Justin (the Martyr), Dialog with Trypho 23.3; Epiphanius, The Panarion of Epiphanius of Salamis 30.2.2; Martyrium Petri et Pauli 1; Apostolic Constitution 2.36.2; Origen, Celsus 5.59; Origen, Commentarii in Evangelium Joannis 2.33.198; Origen, Prayer 27.16; Origen, Selecta in Exodum 12.289.7; Origen, Excerpta in Psalmos 17.144.31) except for Origen alone apply the meaning of Sabbatismos to "Sabbath keeping" and "Sabbath observance"

So that means two references that did not apply to sabbath observance. And you again dismissed Chrysostom, but he noted "sabbath keeping", but did not apply it to the 7th day Sabbath, but rather the sort of interpretation others have noted here.

So that means two uses of the term referring to Sabbath keeping of another sort, and one understanding of it to mean a sabbath keeping of another sort.

Which means you can't make any argument from the meaning of term on its own, because it is clearly demonstrated to be capable of sabbath keeping of another sort.

This supports God's 4th commandment it does not abolish it as your trying to teach.

I have not claimed that the term on its own abolishes it. I have demonstrated that the term on its own does not indicate the weekly sabbath. It can refer to other sabbath rests. And there are three instances of other types of sabbath understandings.

In addition, you would have to explain why it is indefinite as used in Hebrews 4. It doesn't help your argument.

 

[tall73]

You’re trying to separate Gods’ rest from the Sabbath which is not biblical.

I am saying the Sabbath was one memorial of the historical rest of God given to Israel as a sign.

And Hebrews indicates that the rest of faith is also related to the historic rest of God.

I am waiting for HIM to respond on an aspect of his interpretation, and will get into some of the context issues at that time, as I have limited time at the moment as well, and don't want to have to go through it many times with various individuals.

Suffice to say no argument is going to be made on the nature of the term itself, and the nature of the term itself does require you to explain why it is indefinite.

 

[tall73]

Unfortunately, the scriptures do not support this view that Hebrews 4:4 is a reference to Exodus 20:8-11. Hebrews 4:4 For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. This is not written in God’s 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 it is written in Genesis 2:2 where it says Genesis 2:2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

As I mentioned, I am waiting for HIM to get into the next round of discussing the context. However, I accept correction on this point. This is a reference to Genesis, as the phrase does not appear in Exodus. Thank you for pointing out the specific phrasing.

Heb 4:4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.”

The "spoken of" in this case is not apparently then a reference to Sinai, but rather a way of saying the Spirit has spoken through Scripture.

 

[tall73]

What you say here and what you have said to me in the past seems confusing. You have agreed with me in the past that Gods’ true Israel in the new covenant are all those who now believe and follow Gods’ Word (e.g. Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29). According to the scriptures in the new covenant Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. There is not one set of laws for gentile believers and another set of laws for Jewish believers as the scriptures teach that all believers are all believers and followers of God’s Word are all one in Christ *Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Ephesians 2:11-13.

I already clarified that. Gentiles and Jews are alike in Christ, and are both included in the covenant.

However, they do in fact have different requirements, as the Acts council made clear.

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

23 They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls,saying, "be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment

Act 21:24 take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.
Act 21:25 But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

 

[tall73]

No dear friend but let me explain why again. According to the scriptures Exodus 20:8-11 is quoting Genesis 2:1-3 because scripture says so. Let’s now look at what the scriptures teach.

Genesis 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED from all his work which God created and made.

Links to God’s 4th Commandment

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Referring to GENESIS 2:1-3]

Not hard read what the scripture say verbatim in Exodus 20:11 which is a direct reference back to Genesis 2:1-3. Look also at the HEBREW WORD meanings again...

You said the Scriptures indicate Exodus quoted from Genesis. But you didn't post anything that said that.

You did note the similar phrasing:

Gen 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

However, that does not prove that Exodus quoted from Genesis.

Since Exodus is quoting God at Sinai, then it is likely Genesis is as well in this phrase, since they are one narrative continued as we discussed in the other thread. And we know that Exodus was written after Sinai because it relates the words spoken there.

So you would either need a statement saying that Genesis quoted from Exodus, or you would need to demonstrate that Genesis was written before Sinai to establish that Exodus is quoting from Genesis.

Because that would mean that God was quoting from Genesis when He spoke the words from Sinai. Exodus records the words of God spoken at that time.

After HIM posts we can look at the context again to continue the discussion.

 

[tall73]

We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. There are no rules and regulations attached to new covenant Sabbath keeping only what is written in Gods’ 4th commandment

These no longer apply?

cooking the day before (Ex 16)
not kindling a fire (Ex 35)
gathering sticks (Numbers 15)
buying or selling (Nehemiah 10)
turning from your own pleasure and delighting yourself in the Lord (Isaiah 58)
burdens being carried (Nehemiah 13)