abortion

[EnemyPartyII]

Yes, I'm against abortion... but i don't believe just trying to unioaterally change the law will do anything... first of all, women STILL have abortions in jurisdictions where abortion is illegal, and second, I wouldn't really wish unwanted children on anyone either... so, seriously... how would you suggest a workable, practical way of reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place?

 

[elvenwanderer111]

Lets see, first of all, the mindset of not making abortion illegal because people will still do it is absurd, should it be legal to murder(which abortion is) just because people will still murder? Second, an extremely small minority of pregnancy are rapes that cause pregnancy, and the rest are ones with boyfriends and others where temptation overcomes, and those who are from rapes, you cant get past the fact that having an abortion is ending a life, the way to stop these "unwanted" pregnancies is by having more self control, and you and I know that humans have problems with self control when it comes to pleasure and desire, the true answer points toward the Cucifiction of Jesus Christ and the acceptance of His ultimate sacrifice

 

[bliz]

...and those scriptures referred to death in those babies and what to do about it also speaks of a life for life.

Are you advocating taking the lives of those who have or perform or talk others into having abortions? Murder the murders?

 

[allhart]

Yes, I'm against abortion... but i don't believe just trying to unioaterally change the law will do anything... first of all, women STILL have abortions in jurisdictions where abortion is illegal, and second, I wouldn't really wish unwanted children on anyone either... so, seriously... how would you suggest a workable, practical way of reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place?

start by teaching the kids abstinence in school and the world is tearing family values up. Start by bringing GODS standards back up and holding them high. Make them feel it.My great gram pa was treated horribly for he was born out of wed lock they called him a bastard and the parents well they were run out of town. Family's were together back in those days no single moms ECT. What do you think we should do?

 

[allhart]

Are you advocating taking the lives of those who have or perform or talk others into having abortions? Murder the murders?

No ,but maybe ! look people are letting the wicked run the way we should live.I'm sorry this is gone to far ,but if we don't stop it GOD is and we all are going to feel it.

 

[bliz]

Start by bringing GODS standards back up and holding them high. Make them feel it.My great gram pa was treated horribly for he was born out of wed lock they called him a bastard and the parents well they were run out of town. Family's were together back in those days no single moms ECT. What do you think we should do?

You have me confused again... Are you proposing that childlren born outside of marriage should be called "bastards" and be shunned and their parents run out of town?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

My great gram pa was treated horribly for he was born out of wed lock they called him a bastard and the parents well they were run out of town.

This is your idea of a helpful constructive solution? Great, wjat the world needs. More pointless, baseless bigotry.

 

[elvenwanderer111]

Shunning is not necessary and not Biblicaal, unless their sin is so great as to warant casting out, and if it is repeated and they are not penitent, their are consequences for sins, and even punishement for non believers as the believers are covered by God's grace and the Sacrifice of Christ and that is the only way. Abortion needs to be made illegal, because it is wrong, the Bible says the Lord gives and the Lord takes away, not Man gives, or even man takes away, the Creator is the only One with a right to take an innocent life.

 

[Gusoceros]

Yes, I'm against abortion... but i don't believe just trying to unioaterally change the law will do anything... first of all, women STILL have abortions in jurisdictions where abortion is illegal, and second, I wouldn't really wish unwanted children on anyone either... so, seriously... how would you suggest a workable, practical way of reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place?

Life isnt always fair- but actions do have consequences. In both cases- we need to be responsible for our actions. Teach people to keep their pants on, teach morals in the schools, and hold people accountable for their actions.

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[Confess]

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[EnemyPartyII]

Life isnt always fair- but actions do have consequences. In both cases- we need to be responsible for our actions. Teach people to keep their pants on, teach morals in the schools, and hold people accountable for their actions.

"teach people to keep their pants on"... any suggestions how to do this?

 

[Saintj1]

The majority of conceptions are spontaneously aborted. Does God also murder innocent babies?

What do you mean by spontaneously aborted? Do you mean miscarriage? -because that is usually caused by smoking, &/or alcohol abuse.

 

[Saintj1]

The majority of conceptions are spontaneously aborted. Does God also murder innocent babies?

What do you mean by spontaneously aborted? Do you mean miscarriage? -because that is usually caused by smoking, &/or alcohol abuse.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

What do you mean by spontaneously aborted? Do you mean miscarriage? -because that is usually caused by smoking, &/or alcohol abuse.

no, its not a miscarruage until much later... a spontaneous abortion is any case where a fertilised egg fails to implant correectly in the uterus wall... any time a sexually active woman has a "heavy" period, there is a good chance that she has spontaneously aborted in this manner

 

[bliz]

What do you mean by spontaneously aborted? Do you mean miscarriage? -because that is usually caused by smoking, &/or alcohol abuse.

Below are two of many sources I looked at. Not a one mentioned smoking or drinking or alcohol abuse. I am hardly suggesting the drinking or smoking are OK for pregnant women, but let's keep the facts straight and let's not cause unecessary guilt.

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/m/miscarriage/causes.htm
The follow list shows some of the possible medical causes of Miscarriage that are listed by the Diseases Database:

• Amniocentesis
• Anticardiolipin syndrome
• Misoprostol
• Parvovirus B19 infection
• Listeria monocytogenes
• Sickle cell disease
• Paroxysmal nocturnal haemoglobinuria
• Rubella
• Cone biopsy of uterine cervix
• Carboprost tromethamine
• Gemeprost
• Cervical incompetence
• Chorionic villus sampling
• Endometriosis
• Mifepristone
• Dinoprostone
• Systemic lupus erythematosus

http://www.miscarriageclinic.co.uk/causes.html

Cause Percent Immune mechanisms50% Hormonal20% Thrombophilias (blood disorders)10-13% Anatomy5-10%Chromosome abnormality

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• Primary miscarrier (no live births)7% • Secondary miscarrier (one or more live births)50% Infection1% Unknown15%
1- Immune mechanisms (50%)
The fetus contains foreign genetic material coming from the father, but in normal circumstances it does not get rejected. However, in some women the immune system may reject the fetus and cause a miscarriage either by being high in numbers or by abnormal hostile activity. There are several immune disorders:-

• Thyroid antibodies
• Antiphospholipid antibodies
• Antinuclear antibodies
• Natural killer cells CD16/56 and 69 activity

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2- Hormonal (20%)

• Polycystic ovary syndrome - this disease can cause infertility and frequently affects success of even conceiving. This syndrome together with a raised hormone level luteinising hormone (LH) results is an increased risk of miscarriage.
  
• Hormone 'deficiency' - in pregnancies ending in miscarriage, sometimes the levels of a hormone called progesterone are found to be low. This is thought to be the result rather than the cause of the miscarriage. Progesterone supplements do not appear to increase the likelihood of an ongoing pregnancy.

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3- Thrombophilias (Blood disorders) (10-13%)

• The thrombophilias are a group of disorders that promote blood clotting. Individuals with a thrombophilia tend to form blood clots too easily, either because their bodies make too much of certain proteins, called blood clotting factors, or too little of anti-clotting proteins that limit clot formation. As many as 1 in 5 people in this country has a thrombophilia. The major gene mutations that lead to Inherited Thrombophilias are:
• Factor V Leiden
• Protein C deficiency
• Protein S deficiency
• Antithrombin III deficiency
• Acitvated Prothrombin C Resistance (APCR)
• Methylene-tetrahydrofolate reductase MTHFR C677T, leading to hyperhomocytseinemia​
• G20210A prothrombin gene mutation

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4- Anatomical abnormalities (5-10%)

• Uterine (womb) abnormality - eg. a septum down the middle. This condition is found in 2-4% of the normal population. Whether this type of problem is actually to blame for recurrent miscarriages hasn't been proven, and the risks of surgery to correct the problem must be weighed against any potential benefit.
• Fibroids - whorls of normal uterus tissue growing in the muscle, sometimes causing miscarriage. Occasionally an operation to remove fibroids can be performed.
• Cervical incompetence (weakness) - may cause miscarriage in 2nd trimester (after 13 weeks).

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5- Chromosome abnormality

• Chromosomes carry the genetic information for each individual. A baby inherits half of its chromosomes from its mother and half from its father.

• Between 3-5% of couples with recurrent miscarriage have problems with chromosomal abnormalities.

• Chromosomal abnormalities are found in 7% of women who miscarry without previous live children ( Primary miscarrier), and in 50% of women with one or more live births (Secondary miscarrier).

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6- Infection (1%)

• Infections of the genital tract rarely cause a miscarriage, however, there is no clear evidence that they may lead to recurrent pregnancy loss.
• Bacterial vaginosis (BV) is not considered an infection, but a change of the bacterial habitat that normally exists inside the vagina. BV is the most common cause of vaginal discharge in women of childbearing age. In some women it shows a relapsing and remitting course with apparently spontaneous onset and resolution. BV is associated with increased risks of late miscarriage.

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7- Unknown (15%)

• Some women despite thorough investigations, no known cause of their miscarriage is found. However, treatment is still available to these women and is usually tailored to each individual.

* Some women may have multiple reasons for miscarriages

 

[elvenwanderer111]

You have quite a wealth of knowlege. That was a information overload, anyway, a miscarriage, or whatever, you say that God is "killing" innocent babies, hmmm... are you putting yourself equal with God! Not a good idea, God gives and God takes away, does the clay question the potter as to what he is doing? NO. We have no right to the taking of an innocent life.

 

[elvenwanderer111]

by the way, my post was no directed to bliz.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You have quite a wealth of knowlege. That was a information overload, anyway, a miscarriage, or whatever, you say that God is "killing" innocent babies, hmmm... are you putting yourself equal with God! Not a good idea, God gives and God takes away, does the clay question the potter as to what he is doing? NO. We have no right to the taking of an innocent life.

But doesn't the quite poor chance of any given fertilised egg actually being born as a living human ANYWAY, rather contradict the idea that each embryo is a precious individual?

 

[Gusoceros]

Life isnt always fair- but actions do have consequences. In both cases- we need to be responsible for our actions. Teach people to keep their pants on, teach morals in the schools, and hold people accountable for their actions.

"teach people to keep their pants on"... any suggestions how to do this?

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[EnemyPartyII]

OK. So, how about some specifics, rather than Hanity approved rhetoric?