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I'm for it. The thing is, the law says that the parent or gaurdian is responsible for their child, so to me, the law says that it's okay
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Just because the law says something DOES NOT make it ok. If the law said it was ok to murder anyone you wished would that make it ok? Of course not God has commanded us not to murder, so even if the law of the United States or Canada said it was ok it would still be wrong. When I say wrong I mean a SIN against God. Yes, God has given us government, but if the government fails to act according to his will then his law comes first.
Yes, the law does say that the parents are responable for their children. It is not very responable of the mothers to kill their children before they are born is it?
 
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I also believe abortion is murder and if someone falls pregnant by mistake why take their mistake out on an innocent baby. If they don't want to have the baby and raise it themselves than place the baby for adoption. There are so many couples who can't conceive and would give these babies a happy loving home with all the love and tenderness they deserve.

At the same time I also believe that if there is a real threat to the Mother's life or to the baby or both then that is a decision that the family has to make, hopefully with God's guidance. Under these circumstances and these alone I can understand someone choosing to have an abortion. I'm not sure if that is something I would choose to do but it's hard to answer when you have never been in that situation.

I have a physical disability and I had a 50/50 chance of passing that on to my child and at the time there was no testing that could be done before birth. If there was, I don't think I could have made the decision to have an abortion. Yes, I passed my disability onto my Daughter and although I feel guilty at times I'll never regret giving birth to her. She is now 24 and married and her views on abortion are the same as mine. She is a stronger person then I am and deals with life and her disability better then I do she has a strong faith in God and always has. She has always had a happy outlook on life and we aren't just Mother and Daughter, we are also Best Friends and always have been.

I apologise I've ended up of the topic a bit towards the end of my post but I hope what I said has made sense. I only joined a couple of days ago and this is my first real post on here.
 
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I'm for it. The thing is, the law says that the parent or gaurdian is responsible for their child, so to me, the law says that it's okay.

Here's how I think abortions shoulb be treated:
A document should be signed by mother and bioligical father giving consent to abort the fetus. If it was a rape or the mother was unable to get a father signature, a police signed form. Because not all women get pregnant and actually want to have the baby, and I don't mean raise it, I mean give birth to it.

^^^^^^^^^ This Guy Makes Me Sick :sick:
 
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Inne said:
I don't know if this thread has been posted somewhere in this site, but I can't find it.
So here it goes, what do is your guys' point of view on abortion?
are you guys against it or not? and why?
Inne :),
'murder-for-Hire' NO more! - PLEASE: I beg you.

I invite you to read my daughter's *Birth-miracle*, here:
sk8Joyful True-story, beneficial for... 27th September 2005, and
Jesus' every UN-born soul will thank you...
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wow: a boy's mom=*PRO-life*; But he turns 'pro-MURDER'
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*you* will stand facing your Savior, with these words:
'in as much as ye have done it unto the least, ye have done it unto me', said JESUS.
Before you are called to give an accounting, may you have become *again converted to LIFE*.
and in case, you missed it -
Here, again, is my own daughter's *Miracle-birth*: sk8Joyful True-story, beneficial for... 27th September 2005
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EssJay said:
I'm for it. The thing is, the law says that the parent or gaurdian is responsible for their child, so to me, the law says that it's okay.

Here's how I think abortions shoulb be treated:
A document should be signed by mother and bioligical father giving consent to abort the fetus. If it was a rape or the mother was unable to get a father signature, a police signed form. Because not all women get pregnant and actually want to have the baby, and I don't mean raise it, I mean give birth to it.
 
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We'll honestly think about it, its like you have your child ... one day your all playing on the beach and the mother decides, oh i dont want you, i can deal with you any more, so ill just pull out my handgun and shoot you in the head!!
But its ok no one will care because "The Law" Said it was ok.

Just because the mother was raped also doest not mean that she should take it out on the child, as i have once mentioned in one of my previous "Abortion" Posts, there are so many single mothers out there, working hard, and staying strong, and showing that they dont need that "trash" who did this to them,to help them, because they are strong enough on their own, and if she is in real trouble, Im sure there is plenty of support places to help you out.
If it was financial situation, there is adoption, and these days, you should be able to stay in contact, one way or another.
As for life threatning, we'll for me I'd trust in God.
If it was meant to be it was meant to be.
Just the idea of the child that could have grown up to be someone truly unique and amazing, just being... tortured, and being "Murdered" makes me physically Ill.

'Jc ;)
 
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Jclovesu said:
We'll honestly think about it,
its like you have your child ... one day your all playing on the beach and
the mother decides, oh i dont want you, i can't deal with you any more, so
ill just pull out my handgun and shoot you in the head!!
But its ok no one will care because "The Law" Said it was ok.

Just because the mother was raped also doest not mean that she should take it out on the child, as i have once mentioned in one of my previous "Abortion" Posts,
there are so many single mothers out there, working hard, and staying strong, and
showing that they dont need that "trash" who did this to them, to help them, because
they are strong enough on their own, and if she is in real trouble, Im sure there is plenty of support places to help you out.
If it was financial situation, there is adoption, and these days, you should be able to stay in contact, one way or another.
As for life threatening, we'll for me I'd trust in God.
If it was meant to be it was meant to be.
Just the idea of the child that could have grown up to be someone truly unique and amazing, just being... tortured, and being "Murdered" makes me physically Ill.
'Jc ;)
Here Hear -
It's so nice, hearing another Generation being raised with some of Jesus' *morals, integrity & goodness* still being encouraged... Bless you ! :wave:

Praise :) God !!, you are *emotionally-WELL*:thumbsup:
 
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Hey everyone :wave:,
Sorry haven't been in here for awhile. sk8joyful, I can't open the link.
As for the thread, I do agree that abortion is a murder doesn't matter if the baby is still a fetus or whatever you call "it". They are still human beings.


sk8Joyful said:
Inne :),
'murder-for-Hire' NO more! - PLEASE: I beg you.

I invite you to read my daughter's *Birth-miracle*, here: sk8Joyful True-story, beneficial for... 27th September 2005, and Jesus' every UN-born soul will thank you...

Enjoy! :thumbsup: LIFE-abundantly :clap: everlasting...:wave:


 
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Some may say this is not my place to interject as man, or rather a boy, as I'm sure many of you see me. Rightly so, my life is short lived thus far. On the other hand, it is my generation impregnating these murderers, and, frankly, I think it's pure insanity for a woman to be able to destroy something of a man and a woman's mutual conception. Going one step further the child is gift from God whose blood now stains this nation's hands. I am not sorry if this offened anyone; this whole subject burns in the innermost recesses of my soul.
 
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Inne said:
Hey everyone :wave:,
sk8joyful, I can't open the link.
As for the thread, I do agree that abortion is a murder doesn't matter if the baby is still a fetus or whatever you call "it". They are still human beings.
Yes, the spiritual-story of my daughter's birth is no longer accessible in CF, as
the Entire-thread was deleted yesterday.- Apparently, making people aware of their own *in*ternal resources for healing, is not allowed here; so much for sharing Christ's blessings.
Glad to hear you are, as well, *PRO-life*:)
 
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onlyzc said:
Some may say this is not my place to interject as man,
or rather a boy, as I'm sure many of you see me. Rightly so, my life is short lived thus far.
On the other hand, it is my generation impregnating these murderers,
and, frankly, I think it's pure insanity for a woman to be able to destroy something of a man and a woman's mutual conception.
Going one step further the child is gift from God whose blood now stains this nation's hands.
I am not sorry if this offened anyone; this whole subject burns in the innermost recesses of my soul.
GOOD for you : Stand-UP tall, and let your voice be heard :)

God Bless you ! :wave:
 
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Sorry for bringing up a old forum....


I dont believe in abortions never have never will,it is Murder in my eyes.

i understand if a women was a victum of rape they may not want the baby,but she is not god she has not right to end the childs life,there is probaly other ways to some how extract the child thru some scientific means and raise it,im not sure if there is,she can carry the child then if she still dont want him or her she can put him up for adoption.

i dont believe anyone has the right to take a unborn childs life.


Please believe me i did not mean for this to sound harsh in anyway,Please forgive me if it did.
 
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I don't believe that abortion is ever right. Not for any reason. God clearly states that killing is murder, and killing an unborn child is the same thing. I don't believe in that woman's choice thing because the child is another human. They are not one; there is mother and then there is child. The child has no voice, but I don't think it would ask to be killed if it could talk. If you can't afford to have a child or don't want one at the moment, use protection. If you do have one, it is your responsibility to take care of that child as best that you can. Abortion is not better! You are responsible for you actions...and that doesn't mean killing an innocent child who has not yet been born. I find it agravating that killing a child in the womb is not murder if the mother wants to do it...but if someone else kills it accidently than they are murderers...and if the child is born and anyone kills it then the one who killed it is a murderer. What is wrong with this picture? How can it be murder except when the woman chooses to not have the child? How does that change the child into something not special and not alive?
 
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here are facts about life at conception!

"I am fearfully and wonderfully made" Psalms 139:14.






Truly we are fearfully and wonderfully made and this is why!

Human beings are made in God's image (Genesis 1:26 -7), and therefore have a special value independent of the genetic variation which exists between them. Jeremiah 1:5: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you. I have appointed you a prophet to the nations." Our purpose called before we were even conceived! It was Jeremiah in the womb, not an impersonal organism. God was forming him, as with all His creatures, for his appointed post-natal responsibilities.

Dr. Lejeune, a world-renowned expert in human genetics in France, brought to light some of his scientific findings that bear directly on the topic of human origins. In his observation, we are a very young human being, just after fertilization, after it has split in two cells, then for a split second, the cell splits from two into three cells instead of directly to four. Already we see the trinity of the Father or a stamp of God’s creation. Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows [God's] handiwork." From three cells, we do not split ourselves in two, four, eight and continue like that, no, at the beginning we don't do that.





According to Dr. Lejeune, when the cell split in two, that exchange of information comes from one cell to the other one. When it's split in three it receives information we are an individual. Only three lines of cells can manage to build an imago together. That means that the individualization is at the three cell stage. A new life will begin when a female and a male cell will encounter to produce the next generation. In Psalm 51:5 the continuity extends back to the actual time of conception. "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." The point of continuity is David's humanness even at conception. To speak of oneself at conception in terms of personal sinfulness is to affirm one's humanity.

The numerical signature of God is the number three as used throughout the Biblical Scripture.
God is revealed in the Holy Bible as a triune being commonly known as the Trinity, that is, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, therefore, the number 3 is God's special number. God uses the number 3 as a witness of Himself, 1 John 5:7-8 "For there are three that bear record in heaven"..."And there are three that bear witness in earth..."

Some examples of three the triune or trinity of God in existence all around us. The Bible says, "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth His handiwork"(Psalm 19:1).

  • Gods attributes are three - omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence.
  • The three divisions of time - past, present and future​
  • God made man in His image as a triune being: 1. Body (shell) 2. Soul (emotions, intellect, will) 3. Spirit (life)​
  • There are three phases of matter: 1. Solids 2. Liquids 3. Gases​
  • Water, the greatest quantity of the phases of matter on earth, has three molecules.​
  • There are three basic dimensions: 1. Length 2. Width 3. Depth​
  • There are three primary colors: 1. Yellow 2. Red 3. Blue​
  • The smallest particle of matter, the atom, has three basic components: 1. Electrons2. Protons 3. Neutrons​
  • The earth is composed of three concentric layers: 1. Crust 2. Mantle 3. Core​
  • The Bible states that "God is light"( 1 John 1:5). There are three properties of light: 1. Actinic, Calorific 3. Luminiferous​
  • The divisions of time are in groups of three's: 1. Years 2. Months 3. Days1. Hours 2. Minutes 3. Seconds​
  • There are three realms in nature: 1. Mineral 2. Vegetable 3. Animal​
  • The earth has a big 3 stamped on it, as it were, since it is the 3rd planet from thesun.​
  • In deep space, in the Eagle Nebula, there are three immense pillars six trillion miles longconsisting of interstellar hydrogen gas and dust.​
  • The geometric configurations of the Earth and other planets(their circular shapes), which move in mathematical precision, predictability and remarkable speed, further reveal the existence of God, the Master Geometrician.​
  • Family – mother, father, child.​
  • Plantation – has trunk, roots, and leaves and absorb water, air and dirt!
We are hidden
During the cell division, there is a moment in which inside the zona pellucida which is a kind of plastic bag, the wall of the private life of the embryo in which it is protected from the outside. Dr. Lejeune said “because before early human beings were not in our reach, they were protected inside the secret temple...” Psalms 139:15-16 “15 My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them.” Could this be when our cells go from two to three formation being hidden away inside the zona pellucida the Lord pronounces our unique beginning of existence and destiny?

Only one makes it!
Only one sperm gets in out of 150 MILLION to 350 Million Sperm when deposited just a few inches from the Fallopian Tubes when the ovum is ripe for which Fertilization CAN OCCUR ; that is the voting process which enact the new constitution of a man. When the ovum is ripe, that is there is a rupture of the follicle, and the ovum is taken by the fallopian tube, which has a special expansion--we call it le pavillon. It can move like as a hand (or maybe like the hand of God) making a slow palpation of the ovary to find where the egg will be laid and to take it. What is interesting is that this information carried by the sperm and by the ovum has encountered each other, a new human being is defined because its own personal and human constitution is entirely spelled out. Another fact to our being wonderfully and fearfully made is that the reproduction process is a very impressive phenomenon in the sense that what is reproduced is never the matter or blob, but it is information by the DNA. Again, at conception, then, is not a mere human happening. Apart from the sovereign intervention of God, conception (which Scripture designates a divine blessing) does not take place (Genesis 21:1-2; 30:1-2, 22;1 Samuel 1:19; Job 31:15, 33:4).

Our existence is linked from our parents!
Our existence comes from a link between the parents, God and the children. This link is made of a long molecule that we can dissect the DNA molecule which is transmitting information from parents to children through generations and generations. As soon as the program is written on the DNA, there are twenty-three different pieces of program (23 chromosomes) carried by the sperm encounter the twenty-three chromosomes carried by the ovum, the whole information necessary and sufficient to spell out all the characteristics of the new being is gathered.” Dr. Jerome Lejeune states “chromosomes are the table of the law of life.” "the Word of life" (1 Jn 1:1), "I am the way, and the truth, and the life" (Jn 14:6)., I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die" (Jn 11:25-26). When the ovum is fertilized by the sperm, the result is "... the most specialized cell under the sun ..." “according to Dr. Lejeune; specialized from the point of view that no other cell will ever have the same instructions in the life of the individual being created.” God’s word written on the tables of the law are instructions to man. Moses, bidden to go up to God on the mountain to receive "tables of stone, and a law. Moses is given two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God on both their side, the work of God. These tables of the Law is the covenant to the Israelites from God. I would say that God made a covenant with us through DNA code, which is a form of a law written to give direction and life. Tables of laws would naturally be set up in conspicuous places and not, as in the case of those mentioned in Exodus, hidden away where none could see them. When information from the DNA was giving instructions for creation, the Zygote was hidden in a secret place, in a sack.

Tables of the Law and two tablets!
These tables (the law of Moses) also are designated "the two tables of the testimony". The number of the tables, two, corresponds to the natural coupling of pairs, such as bridegroom and bride, heaven and earth, this world and the world to come. It takes a husband (sperm) and a wife (ovum) to create life.

Table in the bible represents several things such as where the presence of God showed up in Exodus 39:36 the table with all its articles and the bread of the Presence; 1 Kings 7:48, Psalm 23:5 . Table representing fortune and Destiny - Isaiah 65:11 - "But as for you who forsake the LORD and forget my holy mountain, who spread a table for Fortune and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny." Table is in the sanctuary and is a place to minister. Ezekiel 44:16 - They alone are to enter my sanctuary; they alone are to come near my table to minister before me and perform my service.

The law is instructions for living a long prosperous life and is written in our hearts.

  • Deuteronomy 32:46 "And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law."
  • Joshua 22:5 "But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of charged you, to love your Elohim, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul."

  • Job 22:22 "Receive, I pray thee, the law from his mouth, and lay up his words in thine heart.​
  • Psalm 37:31 "The law of his Elohim is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide."
  • Psalm 40:8 "I delight to do thy will, O my Elohim: yea, thy law is within my heart."
  • Psalm 119:34 "Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart."
  • Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:"
The Rod!
DNA molecule, is a long thread of one meter (sic) of length, cut in twenty-three pieces. Each piece is coiled on itself very tightly to make spiral of spiral of spiral so that finally it looks like a little ROD that we can see under the microscope that we call a chromosome. Moses was given a rod to represent authority. Exodus 14:4 “And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand” again in Exodus 14:17 “And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand, wherewith thou shalt do signs.” The Lord gives us authority to trample even the enemy. In Psalm 91:13 “You shall tread upon the lion and the cobra, The young lion and the serpent you shall trample underfoot.”

Now, chromosomes are a long thread of DNA in which information is written. According to Dr. Lejeune, “they are coiled very tightly on the chromosomes, and, in fact, a chromosome is very comparable to a mini-cassette, in which a symphony is written, the symphony of life.” On the tiny mini cassettes which are our chromosomes are written various parts of the opus which is for human symphony, and as soon as all the information necessary and sufficient to spell out the whole symphony, this symphony plays itself, that is, a new man is beginning his career. God’s purpose and plan for our lives is written before we are even born.

Conception, then, is not a mere human happening. Apart from the sovereign intervention of God, conception (which Scripture designates a divine blessing) does not take place Genesis 21:1-2 “And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken. 2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.," “;1 And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die. Genesis 30:1-2 “And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?”, Job 31:15 “Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?, Job 33:4 “4 The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life."

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