Abortion

[sabby4life]

who thinks that abortion should be leagle cause i don't

 

[marblehead]

Too bad, abortion's already legal and it should stay that way.

 

[invisible trousers]

maybe if we make abortions illegal then nobody will ever have them

 

[In A Perfect World]

maybe if we make abortions illegal then nobody will ever have them

That is ludicrous. People used to drink hemlock in small dosages. Abortion has been around for ages, and is not directly condemned in the Bible.

Women used to have illegal, unsafe abortions back in the day.

 

[toxiciridescence]

maybe if we make abortions illegal then nobody will ever have them

Hmm, have you ever heard of the testimony of people from the case that made abortion legal in the first place? People were having them back then too!

Look at history. Did abolition make alcohol go away?

Edit: if you're being sarcastic, I agree totally, and my responses go to the OP. Sad thing is, nobody can tell here.

 

[maha]

There are a multitude of benefits that abortions provide societies. The only negative thing about abortion is one questionable ethical issue--whether it is homicide. So it's a matter of giving up four or five good things for one bad thing. It's a trade off, but I think the ratio is in favor of keeping it legal.

 

[Spinrad]

who thinks that abortion should be leagle cause i don't

I do, and I am glad it is

 

[Murmur]

who thinks that abortion should be leagle cause i don't

Good for you. You are entitled to your opinion, and I to mine.

I do not agree. It is already legal, and will stay that way.

 

[In A Perfect World]

I do, and I am glad it is

I don't like abortion - it's not cool or anything. But a) keeps unwanted kids from growing up to be potential screw ups and b) for the most part I don' think I have the right to force a woman to have her baby.

 

[Spinrad]

I don't like abortion - it's not cool or anything. But a) keeps unwanted kids from growing up to be potential screw ups and b) for the most part I don' think I have the right to force a woman to have her baby.

Hmmmmmmm

The smiley didn't clue you in?

 

[In A Perfect World]

Hmmmmmmm

The smiley didn't clue you in?

I know - I seem to have a bad habit of... quoting the last poster instead of hitting reply. My bad

 

[Hungry Hungry Hippo]

I think abortion should be legal under certain conditions.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

I've said this before, and it usually gets ignored...but pregnancy is such an intrinsically female thing, I don't believe any male is qualified to even have an opinion on the morality of abortion. Certainly, it should be legal. And it should be each woman's choice as to whether or not to abort.

 

[Code-Monkey]

I've said this before, and it usually gets ignored...but pregnancy is such an intrinsically female thing, I don't believe any male is qualified to even have an opinion on the morality of abortion. Certainly, it should be legal. And it should be each woman's choice as to whether or not to abort.

Did the father not have anything to do with the conception?

Can we apply this sort of logic with other things? Male on male rape. It's intrinsically a male thing, so females shouldn't get a voice in the matter. It should be up to the men.

Well, in my gross example we at least have both people that can share their voice. I don't know why we would pick one guy's opinion over the other. Do we flip a coin everytime? Today bob's opinion, tomorrow adam's opinion. In the case of an abortion, if the little unborn kid is really a person, then the point as I see it of saying it's wrong is it's protecting that person's rights, giving them a voice. Maybe once they're born and 6 or 7 then they can give their consent to their parents to kill them.

 

[In A Perfect World]

Did the father not have anything to do with the conception?

Can we apply this sort of logic with other things? Male on male rape. It's intrinsically a male thing, so females shouldn't get a voice in the matter. It should be up to the men.

Well, in my gross example we at least have both people that can share their voice. I don't know why we would pick one guy's opinion over the other. Do we flip a coin everytime? Today bob's opinion, tomorrow adam's opinion. In the case of an abortion, if the little unborn kid is really a person, then the point as I see it of saying it's wrong is it's protecting that person's rights, giving them a voice. Maybe once they're born and 6 or 7 then they can give their consent to their parents to kill them.

Male rape is irrelevant and has nothing to do with abortion. It's a flawed analogy.

Many people DON'T see fetuses as "people". Therefore, the "people" don't have rights unless they are wanted.

 

[Code-Monkey]

Male rape is irrelevant and has nothing to do with abortion. It's a flawed analogy.

Many people DON'T see fetuses as "people". Therefore, the "people" don't have rights unless they are wanted.

Analogies are usually on different subjects.

To the 2nd part, I agree. If we all saw them as people and not fetuses, then I think we would all agree that it's almost always immoral.

But despite the fact that we mostly agree on the morality and just disagree on the facts, why is one person's facts more accurate than someone elses? Is there any "scientific" reasoning behind saying that a fetus is not actually a person?

It would seem that at the age at least that a fetus could potentially be born and survive that at least at that point it would be considered a person, right?

 

[In A Perfect World]

It would seem that at the age at least that a fetus could potentially be born and survive that at least at that point it would be considered a person, right?

I would say so, yes. I only approve of first trimester abortions. Third tri/live birth are disgusting.

Premy babies can survive given proper medical attention. I think that's when we can look at a fetus and say, "That's a person".

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Did the father not have anything to do with the conception?

Obviously. However, he does not carry the baby for nine months. Only a woman can do that. When you've been pregnant, I'll consider your opinions on the morality of abortion to be of worth.

Can we apply this sort of logic with other things? Male on male rape. It's intrinsically a male thing, so females shouldn't get a voice in the matter. It should be up to the men.

No, we can't. There is no other thing that is completely alien to one sex and completely natural to the other. Females can appreciate and understand male-on-male rape because they can be raped.

Well, in my gross example we at least have both people that can share their voice. I don't know why we would pick one guy's opinion over the other. Do we flip a coin everytime? Today bob's opinion, tomorrow adam's opinion.

And your gross example is irrelevant.

In the case of an abortion, if the little unborn kid is really a person, then the point as I see it of saying it's wrong is it's protecting that person's rights, giving them a voice. Maybe once they're born and 6 or 7 then they can give their consent to their parents to kill them.

And here you are considering ONLY the fetus' point of view - which is natural, because you're not a woman, and don't/can't ever know what it's like to carry a child. Which is why your opinion on the subject is completely worthless. No offence - my opinion on the morality of abortion, too, is completely worthless. It's a subject neither of us can know the first thing about - until/unless we become women and bear a child.

 

[Spinrad]

I know - I seem to have a bad habit of... quoting the last poster instead of hitting reply. My bad

I hate smileys.

 

[invisible trousers]

yes i was being sarcastic *

the idea of banning things we don't like (ie pet issues of the religious right) is short-sighted and leads to bad results.

*filling the angry smiley quota for this thread