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Hmmm... abortion has always been an interesting topic for me. My current standings on abortion is that it is wrong. Though there are a couple of very rare cases in which I believe it might be the best choice.Now before you all jump me, let me explain what I mean. One case would be if the baby has a severe birth defect(s) and I don't mean things like cerebal palsy or things like that, I mean fatal birth defects. Ones where the baby would die either in the womb or very shortly after born. Examples of this would be instances where the baby's brain didn't form or it formed partially outside the skull. Another case would be if the baby has unfortunately died in the womb. In any other circumstance though I most certainly am against abortion.
 
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"Time for America to wake up and adopt your system of values?"

Well I wish baby killing wasn't legal. Girls are now just tossing babies in dumpsters. Why even mess with an abortion? All because the baby is inside of you and attached to you doesn't mean it's not a seperate human. Extreme example time since we seem to like to bring up extremes on this thread. How would you feel if you lived in a society that believes it's ok to marry any woman against her will and raping her is ok and if she gets to out of hand she can be killed? I guess then you may want people to adopt your values? Or would you say that's ok?

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THROWING BABIES IN DUMPSTERS.

It is your system of values and your personal opinion that a fetus is a child.

Pregnancy is ultimately the woman's responsibility. The man has the ability to just leave and never come back. The woman is stuck with it. Why should she have all the responsibility in the end but none of the rights? Just too bad for women, suck it up?
 
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And how would she suffer her entire life? She can give the baby up for adoption. What is nine months of suffering compared to the life of another person, an innocent baby!

LOL, you think when you give a baby up for adoption that's it, all better?
 
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and has anyone heard of post-abortion syndrone (don't know actual name of it) but it's where (and doctor's won't tell you this at the time but...

When the mother of an aborted child has an abortionnothing happens right away. But after abotu 3 years, the mother is sure to see a child about the age that the baby would be. There can be uncontrollable crying, actual birth pains, cramps, all that birth stuff, deep depression, etc. But no one tells you about this kinda stuff before-hand.

And that's worse than what happens when you give a baby up for adoption? :rolleyes:
 
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Hi Mallory,

The bottom line for us is that abortion is taking a life, and as a husband and a father, that is something I will not do. I would give my own life to save my family, but I will not choose to kill my son to save my wife or kill my wife to save my son. Neither is an option for me.

Adoption is better than taking a life. I know people who were adopted; my father works for our states' adoption agency. Adoption works.

Your scenerios are only based on what "might" or "could" happen, not on what will happen. I will not agree to killing a child based on speculation and hypotheticals.

In Christ,

Acts6:5
 
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Hi Mallory,
The bottom line for us is that abortion is taking a life,

How is that "the bottom line"? That's your opinion. You think it's a baby as soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg?

I would not allow my life to be destroyed if someone decided to rape me while I was walking home one day.

But that's not something you have to worry about, is it?
 
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Originally posted by Mallory Knox


What about a 12-year-old girl who was molested by her father? If she's extremely unstable, and keeps attempting suicide? Or any suicidal person? If it's the life of the mother or the life of the child?

I don't have time to read this thread atm, but I would like to make a quick comment. I recently heard on the local news about a nine (9) year old child who was pregnant as a result of her grandfather raping her. He had been abusing her for many years.

I am completely against convenience abortions, but there are always extreme situations where abortion is a horrible necessity. Common sense must prevail.

Which child's life would you end? The nine year old or the unborn child? What if the nine year old was your daughter?
 
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Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um


I don't have time to read this thread atm, but I would like to make a quick comment. I recently heard on the local news about a nine (9) year old child who was pregnant as a result of her grandfather raping her. He had been abusing her for many years.

I am completely against convenience abortions, but there are always extreme situations where abortion is a horrible necessity. Common sense must prevail.

Which child's life would you end? The nine year old or the unborn child? What if the nine year old was your daughter?

Would any of you "never" folks deny this girl an abortion?
 
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but please allow me to answer these questions anyway.

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


How is that "the bottom line"? That's your opinion.

Aren't we allowed our own opinions?


You think it's a baby as soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg?

At the moment the sperm fertilizes a life begins to form.


I would not allow my life to be destroyed if someone decided to rape me while I was walking home one day.

What would you rather live with the rest of your life
The fact that you took a life?
Or the fact that you saved one?

For me the answer is clear, I would rather save the life of a baby than take it.



But that's not something you have to worry about, is it?

Why wouldn't I have to worry about it? I'm a female and can be raped just like any other.
 
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Aren't we allowed our own opinions?

Yes. But we're not allowed to call them "the bottom line"

At the moment the sperm fertilizes a life begins to form.

But whether or not that life is a person, a baby, that's debatable.

What would you rather live with the rest of your life
The fact that you took a life?
Or the fact that you saved one?

For me the answer is clear, I would rather save the life of a baby than take it.

And live the rest of your life forced to remember that terrible moment every time you look at yourself? You would be destroyed. That "baby" isn't a baby yet and was never meant to be.



Why wouldn't I have to worry about it? I'm a female and can be raped just like any other.

Well, like you said, THIS WASN'T ADDRESSED TO YOU. :rolleyes:
 
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This is not a debate either side can produce convincing arguments on. In the end, it comes down to what you *THINK* a person is, and we don't all agree. Biological complexity isn't it - otherwise kittens are closer to "life" than an embryo. Potential might be it.

My answer is, I'm pretty sure that abortion is, morally, a form of killing of a human. I'm not sure how to handle cases like the little girl who got pregnant - indeed, she probably *can't* carry a baby to term.

In the end, though, I think this is one of the issues where society should set the rules based on social necessity and best net results, and individual people should do their own moral thinking.
 
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In the end, though, I think this is one of the issues where society should set the rules based on social necessity and best net results, and individual people should do their own moral thinking.

Society should set the rules, you mean there should be laws? Against abortion I assume?
 
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Originally posted by Mallory Knox
I would not allow my life to be destroyed if someone decided to rape me while I was walking home one day.

But that's not something you have to worry about, is it?
You obviously don't understand something... when you get raped, you don't HAVE to get pregnant! It is God's will that you get pregnant and He makes the decision one way or the other. And if he chooses you to get pregnant, then He obviously has something in mind for that child.

Your life is not destroyed by having a baby either. Your life would just change.
 
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Originally posted by Mallory Knox
And that's worse than what happens when you give a baby up for adoption? :rolleyes:
And you think killing off the baby's chance for a normal life is better than that?

By the way, yes I do think that the syndrone thing is worse. Pain is worth getting a life. Reminds me of Christ, He suffered through pain so that you and I could live. But having two lives is better than only one.
 
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How is that "the bottom line"? That's your opinion. You think it's a baby as soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg?

I would not allow my life to be destroyed if someone decided to rape me while I was walking home one day.

But that's not something you have to worry about, is it?

I certainly do. I have a wife, and it would kill me if the woman I loved was violated in such a way. Rape is a horrible crime and I wouldn't wish such depravity on my worst enemy. Being a male doesn't mean I'm ignorant of human suffering.

A human life is created the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg. That is not opinion but scientific fact.

Mallory, I'm not going to pretend to know your background or why you are so passionate about this subject. But what I do know is that I was personally a prime candidate for being aborted by my mother. Considering abortion because of the potential life-altering effect on the mother, or the potential hardships the child might face in life is no excuse to end a child's life, and I'm telling you this because of how I was conceived and the effect I could have had on my mother's life.

Let me give you the run down on why my birth "could" have caused chaos for me or my mother:

My mother conceived me outside of wedlock while in college at the age of 21. My mother is white, my father is black, and this was during a time in the early 70's when interacial relationships (let alone interacial sexual relationships) were still shunned by society at large.
My mother's father was a leader in his Church. Neither my mother nor my father had any money.

Look at the hardships my mother was facing by refusing to consider abortion as an option:

1.) She could have risked being branded a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
2.) Persecution from society by being an unwed mother of a bi-racial child in the 70's.
3.) Her college career could have ended.
4.) Her family could have disowned her.
5.) Her friends and church could have shunned her.
6.) My father could have moved on and left her to fend for herself.
7/) She could have risked living in poverty for the rest of her life.

She had every reason to abort her "mistake", and treat me like a piece of tissue that was inconveniencing her and threatening to change her life, dreams and goals.

But I thank God that she made the decision to view me as I am; a human life. My mother weathered all insults that came her way. My father married her several months later, and I have never seen a more godly couple today. She finished college. Her friends and her Church supported her and helped meet her needs. My grandparents on both sides love us and couldn't have asked for better inlaws or grandchildren.

A lot of "could haves", Mallory. Abortion isn't an option for me, not only because I am a father and husband, but because I also came close to being aborted myself. As a father, I would give my life for my child; my wife feels the same. We felt that way even before our son came out of my wife's body. Killing him would never be an option. If my wife was ever raped and impregnated, we would either keep the child or give him or her up for adoption. Killing the innocent life is not the answer. I hope you thoughtfully consider the things I have said.

In Christ,

Acts6:5
 
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Originally posted by sbbqb7n16

You obviously don't understand something... when you get raped, you don't HAVE to get pregnant! It is God's will that you get pregnant and He makes the decision one way or the other. And if he chooses you to get pregnant, then He obviously has something in mind for that child.

Your life is not destroyed by having a baby either. Your life would just change.

:rolleyes:

I understand perfectly.

But I COULD get pregnant. It's not exactly unheard of.

It would be God's will if I was raped and got pregnant? It's God's will that that nine-year-old girl was raped by her grandfather and is now pregnant? Lovely.
 
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