Abortion

sbbqb7n16 · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
Yes, you do, because I find that completely incomprehensible. Your God gets people to rape other people? Okay.

You appear to make some of the "classical" errors that people make when talking about these kinds things.

Allow does not mean Cause.
The difference between punishment and revenge...(Pharoah's thing)
Trying to claim an action under one circumstance is different than the same action under a different circumstance.

God allows rape to happen. He doesn't cause it to happen.

God killed the children of Egypt and chose "capital punishment" as a means of punishment not revenge, and definitely not just for the heck of it.

And abortion under one circumstance is just the same as abortion under a different circumstance. Either way the baby dies. If the baby dies during birth then it was God's will for it to happen that way. But abortion takes matters into your own hands and keeps God out of it.

And abortions "fit into" God's plan for your life. He doesn't want you to make that choice, but He allows you to. Same thing as someone murdering someone else. He doesn't want it to happen, but He allows it, and it all fits into His plan somehow. Life would be a lot better without either one of them.

Ever read James:
"When tempted, no one should say 'God is tempting me.' For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone."
-James 1:13

"Every good and perfect gift is from above"
-James 1:17

Chris†opher Paul · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox

Not age, really, just stage of development. A tiny two-month-old fetus that has no brain function or heartbeat is not equal to a grown woman!

Last I checked my two month old fetus had a heartbeat.

Babies are cool.

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by StogusMaximus
Hmmmmmm. Let's see how many "what if" situations we can come up with to justify abortion, shall we!

1. A woman is raped, and doesn't want to carry a baby resulting from that rape.
2. A woman is widow with 4 kids, and she will die if she gives birth.
3. A woman gets pregnant from an affair and doesn't want her husband to know.
4. A woman was drugged at a party and involuntarily had sex and became pregnant.
5. A woman got drunk and involuntarily had sex and became pregnant.
6. A fortune teller explains that her child will grow up to be a mass murder.
7. Her dog tells her how left out he will feel if she has a baby, and ignores him.
8. Aliens impregnated a woman, and her child will one day become destroy the human race?
9. She believes that she is a man trapped inside a woman's body.

That is about all I can think of now, anybody else?

Where did you get this crap from? What are you talking about?

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by DaveKerwin

The reality that I was referring to it this, click this link

http://www.abortionismurder.com/graphics/03_10.JPG

I don't necessarily want you to read their opinions, I want you to see what an aborted baby looks like. I want to make this personal. If you can look at a picture and tell me that there is no real life there, then you are a sick human being. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and they can do whatever they want with their own body. A person should not force their opinions on an innocent child that did not ask to be in this world. Click that link and then you describe for me (IN DETAIL) about the "tissue" that gets scraped out of a womb.

How old is it?

StogusMaximus · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
Where did you get this crap from? What are you talking about?

Hmmmmmm. Let's see how many "what if" situations we can come up with to justify abortion, shall we!

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by StogusMaximus
What if the pregnant woman is in a car wreck and she has severe brain damage, and all of here organs are pretty much destroyed. She is being kept alive by machines only, and her brain function is zero! Her fetus is in perfect shape, no obvious damage.

Now if she gives birth she will surely die, but if she has an abortion, she can be kept alive for an undetermined amount of time.

Well then I would say that the baby should take precedence since it is more alive than the mother.

See this is exactly the game I wanted to play. Give scenario, observe opinions. Interesting. Instead I'm being accused of being a "horrible human being" who "kills babies".

By the way, why would she die if she gave birth? Couldn't they just give her a Caesarean and sew her right back up? (I don't know).

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by StogusMaximus

Hmmmmmm. Let's see how many "what if" situations we can come up with to justify abortion, shall we!

Um, okay, and you think those situations justify abortion????

Or is this just another "Mallory is a horrible human being for wanting to explore this" thing?

StogusMaximus · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
Um, okay, and you think those situations justify abortion????

This thread is broken into two groups, those who say no abortion ever, and the other group who say well what about in this situation.
I decided to add a couple of situations.

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
Or is this just another "Mallory is a horrible human being for wanting to explore this" thing?

I don't belive I ever addressed you in my thread.

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by sbbqb7n16

You appear to make some of the "classical" errors that people make when talking about these kinds things.

Allow does not mean Cause.
The difference between punishment and revenge...(Pharoah's thing)
Trying to claim an action under one circumstance is different than the same action under a different circumstance.

God allows rape to happen. He doesn't cause it to happen.

God killed the children of Egypt and chose "capital punishment" as a means of punishment not revenge, and definitely not just for the heck of it.

And abortion under one circumstance is just the same as abortion under a different circumstance. Either way the baby dies. If the baby dies during birth then it was God's will for it to happen that way. But abortion takes matters into your own hands and keeps God out of it.

But if someone did have an abortion wouldn't God be "allowing" that to happen too?

And that's some "punishment", killing all the firstborn sons. But hey he's your God.

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by StogusMaximus
This thread is broken into two groups, those who say no abortion ever, and the other group who say well what about in this situation.
I decided to add a couple of situations.

I don't belive I ever addressed you in my thread.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I had assumed your post had some sort of point to it.

StogusMaximus · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
I had assumed your post had some sort of point to it.

As much a point as any thing else posted in this thread.

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by StogusMaximus
As much a point as any thing else posted in this thread.

What was the point then?

StogusMaximus · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
Well then I would say that the baby should take precedence since it is more alive than the mother.

However following your criteria, we must look at the "stage of development" and even with the mother being half dead, she is still further developed than the fetus.

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
By the way, why would she die if she gave birth? Couldn't they just give her a Caesarean and sew her right back up? (I don't know).

Ok, lets say she has a serious skin disease and if her skin is cut it will poison her blood supply and kill her.

StogusMaximus · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
What was the point then?

The point is you can take this discussion into the farthest depths of ridiculousness to try and justify abortions.

The point is you can have as many "What ifs" as you can imagine.

The point is if you take God and Man out the discussion, you have just a Woman who kills life because she does not want to shoulder the burden, no matter what her reason is.

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by StogusMaximus

The point is you can take this discussion into the farthest depths of ridiculousness to try and justify abortions.

The point is you can have as many "What ifs" as you can imagine.

The point is if you take God and Man out the discussion, you have just a Woman who kills life because she does not want to shoulder the burden, no matter what her reason is.

Even the nine-year-old girl who was raped by her grandfather? Yeah what a selfish woman.

GTX · Jun 21, 2002

I don't have time to read this thread atm, but I would like to make a quick comment. I recently heard on the local news about a nine (9) year old child who was pregnant as a result of her grandfather raping her. He had been abusing her for many years.

I am completely against convenience abortions, but there are always extreme situations where abortion is a horrible necessity. Common sense must prevail.

Which child's life would you end? The nine year old or the unborn child? What if the nine year old was your daughter?

Mallory asks:
Would any of you "never" folks deny this girl an abortion?

GTX says:
I was with the never crowd until this popped up, Mallory, in this case I would not deny abortion, the girl is just a child herself. In extreme cases abortion could be justified.

But it also goes to show the gross immorality present in the world.

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by GTX
GTX says:
I was with the never crowd until this popped up, Mallory, in this case I would not deny abortion, the girl is just a child herself. In extreme cases abortion could be justified.

But it also goes to show the gross immorality present in the world.

Yeah, the world is a sick place.

GTX · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox

Yeah, the world is a sick place.

You bet Mallory! That is why we need God. It won't always be like this.

Mallory Knox · Jun 21, 2002

Originally posted by GTX
You bet Mallory! That is why we need God. It won't always be like this.

I wish I could think like you do.

LouisBooth · Jun 21, 2002

"Even the nine-year-old girl who was raped by her grandfather? Yeah what a selfish woman."

So you think 2 wrongs make a right or being young is an excuse for murder?

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