Abortion

[Antoninus Verus]

its scientifficly proven must i say more

Yeah you do.

 

[openup4christ]

why its proven they have done decades of research and expirements and found out that fetus feal pain.

yet u base a lot of your belifes on things that arnt proven like that a fetus is not really a human being,

 

[Marissa]

what hypocrisy?

Simply blaming the women, yet not doing anything about how she got to be in that situation, and not doing anything to get her out of it.

You say don't abort, yet don't want to give her financial support that will make that possible. You don't do anything about the sex centred culture we live in. If you watch television, purchase things that use sex as advertising, buy secular music which is sex centred (as so much of it is) then you're a hypocrit.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

why its proven they have done decades of research and expirements and found out that fetus feal pain.

yet u base a lot of your belifes on things that arnt proven like that a fetus is not really a human being,

You have no evidence whatsoever.

 

[openup4christ]

Iv kind of told u a millions TIMES that i do

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Iv kind of told u a millions TIMES that i do

Then show it

 

[flicka]

Iv kind of told u a millions TIMES that i do

What you have to do see, is provide a link to a study or something that validates what you say. Telling someone you have proof is meaningless without a link to your source. That is how things work here.

 

[Romany]

I do believe that abortion is wrong, but not because they scream in pain or anything like that (and I seriously doubt that happens.) I believe it's wrong because although it's just a little ball of cells or a lump of tissue at that point, we know it will become a life at a later date. With that foreknowledge, abortion is the same as murder, because your getting rid of something that you know will develop into a human with a soul and emotions etc etc.

Romany

(cont'd)
However: I'm from Sri Lanka, where most of the abortions done are absolutely horrific; because abortion is illegal, mother's must go to ill-equipped and 'shady' places to get abortions done---the mother often ends up dying as well, while foetuses are pulled out of the womb piece by pice with a hook. So although I would never abort my own child I do think legalising abortion would keep it controlled and healthy.
The mothers make that choice to abort, who are we to supress their free will? Even God doesn't do that.

Romany

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Can babies feel the abortion is it true that they scream in pain when aborted. and is it also true that the struggle when they are being aborted. And if all this horrific pain was caused wouldnt it be better if the baby was never aborted

Something without a brain cannot feel pain.

 

[butterfoot]

I have proof that the fetus at 12 weeks feels pain and senses danger. However due to Forum rules I cannot post the link here so if you want it send me a Private Message and I will send you the link. Just to let you know before you pm me that the video is very graphic.

If you truely want to see the proof then pm me if you just ask for proof but don't really want to see the actual proof then don't pm me.


-cw

 

[Antoninus Verus]

I have proof that the fetus at 12 weeks feels pain and senses danger. However due to Forum rules I cannot post the link here so if you want it send me a Private Message and I will send you the link. Just to let you know before you pm me that the video is very graphic.

If you truely want to see the proof then pm me if you just ask for proof but don't really want to see the actual proof then don't pm me.


-cw

You have 480 Posts, you CAN post links

 

[butterfoot]

You have 480 Posts, you CAN post links

I know I can post links but I do not want to violate forum rules by posting this link.

-cw

 

[Hungry Hungry Hippo]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11699550

Evidence suggests that a fetus can feel pain starting between 28 and 30 weeks after development. I can access the journal of bioethics from my school's website, but I'm not sure if this article is posted for free anywhere. Also, the fetus starts developing pain receptors starting between 10 and 12 weeks.

 

[Spinrad]

Can babies feel the abortion is it true that they scream in pain when aborted. and is it also true that the struggle when they are being aborted. And if all this horrific pain was caused wouldnt it be better if the baby was never aborted

Worms struggle when in danger. Perhaps it is better that we never harm them, either?

 

[butterfoot]

Worms struggle when in danger. Perhaps it is better that we never harm them, either?

You hit the nail on the head. They struggle when in danger. Worms have their purpose on this earth just as that aborted baby did.


-cw

 

[Spinrad]

So no more harming worms, then?

 

[Antoninus Verus]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11699550

Evidence suggests that a fetus can feel pain starting between 28 and 30 weeks after development. I can access the journal of bioethics from my school's website, but I'm not sure if this article is posted for free anywhere. Also, the fetus starts developing pain receptors starting between 10 and 12 weeks.

This film is a pro-life propaganda piece and I highly question the validity of the information presented in it.

You hit the nail on the head. They struggle when in danger. Worms have their purpose on this earth just as that aborted baby did.


-cw

You kill life every day without even thinking about it. Scratch your arm, youve just killed millions of skin cells. But they were alive, right? Even the most simple one celled organism will withdraw from something unfamiliar that touches it. The baby does not recoil from pain

 

[Romany]

You kill life every day without even thinking about it. Scratch your arm, youve just killed millions of skin cells. But they were alive, right? Even the most simple one celled organism will withdraw from something unfamiliar that touches it. The baby does not recoil from pain

Yeah, but the cells are just there to replicate, nothing else; no soul, no emotion and no future except reproduction. There are millions of cells to replace the lost cells, and shedding dead cells is a natural course.
But you know the foetus will become a human with emotions and a soul at a later date, and you are taking away its life in the future. That's why I think abortion is the same as murder.

 

[Spinrad]

Yeah, but the cells are just there to replicate, nothing else; no soul, no emotion and no future except reproduction. There are millions of cells to replace the lost cells, and shedding dead cells is a natural course.
But you know the foetus will become a human with emotions and a soul at a later date, and you are taking away its life in the future. That's why I think abortion is the same as murder.

I agree with the first part, and I would give deference to a fetus over nearly any other life form I know of, except the already living person that it lives off of. The already human's will trumps the not yet human's will.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Yeah, but the cells are just there to replicate, nothing else; no soul, no emotion and no future except reproduction. There are millions of cells to replace the lost cells, and shedding dead cells is a natural course.
But you know the foetus will become a human with emotions and a soul at a later date, and you are taking away its life in the future. That's why I think abortion is the same as murder.

So? Does that mean we should preserve everything that MIGHT become human at a later date? In that case you shouldnt have sex because the sperm that die could have been humans