Abortion Solution

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Wow. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Then you shouldn't have any excuse for not understanding my point. Unless of course you've been blinded by ignorance. Many people are, so there is no reason to be ashamed. Ignorance simply means that a person isn't properly informed with regard to the subject matter. Being that the topic is abortions, and I'm the only one of us that has performed one, I won't hold it against you.

Odd though isn't it? Out of the two of us that has been present during an abortion, yet out of the two of us, I am the only one that believes a fetus is a living being.

I thank God for my experiences, because they taught me that I didn't know everything. I pray the same will happen for you one day.

 

[reverend B]

adiya,
you so completely mis-read most of the posts you are responding to it is hard for anyone to be civil. i will try.
the post about the non-white and disabled kids that need adoption was not a comment on them, but on the predominantly white couples looking to adopt. they will not adopt these kids, but complain that there are no children available for adoption. it was a commentary on the people who could fix the problem by adopting, not a call for the kids to be eliminated. this went completely over your head and you are getting deeper and deeper in the mud.
i hope this helped you. this has become painful. slow down, kiddo.

 

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adiya,
you so completely mis-read most of the posts you are responding to it is hard for anyone to be civil. i will try.
the post about the non-white and disabled kids that need adoption was not a comment on them, but on the predominantly white couples looking to adopt. they will not adopt these kids, but complain that there are no children available for adoption. it was a commentary on the people who could fix the problem by adopting, not a call for the kids to be eliminated. this went completely over your head and you are getting deeper and deeper in the mud.
i hope this helped you. this has become painful. slow down, kiddo.

I didn't misunderstand. I've been discussing abortion with the person I addressed in previous topics. The ignorant responses I have been receiving from those of you who deem yourselves deserving of correcting me, will only receive an assumption that education is indeed in order. Nothing has gone over my head, in fact, it appears that it's gone over most of yours.


Perhaps you can overlook this one, but I didn't, and this is where it all started.

But only if they are healthy white infants, right? Otherwise, that's just not faaairrrrr!

Because those who oppose abortion are only white right?

When you're finished directing the "school of stereotypes" you might try looking outside of your own box.

Re "kiddo" comment. I think I outgrew that one when I realized I had a year left before I'd turn 30. But I can hang with it, as long as you don't mind being called gramps in response.

 

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dp.

 

[belladonic-haze]

Some of my friends used to steal condoms from supermarkets.... they are perfect to play voleyball when inflated.

We where 13 at the time.

To answer neither abstinence nor free condoms are really good solutions by themselves. You need sex ed from the family and the school. Teach them responsibility not avoidance.

Absolutely. Sex ed. and free condoms. You can tell them all about being responsible, but you have to help them act like it as well. And you know as well as I how hard it is to buy condoms at your local drugstore. There is always someone who might know them who might know them and they might know your parents. We live in a small world. And the schoolnurse or the biology teacher or any other adult can explain to them again if needed how to use the bubble wrapper.....

 

[belladonic-haze]

Well it's nice to hear that numbers are going down. Why is europe doing better? I don't know. Maybe they hand out more condoms then us. Lol.

Better sex ed. We do not forbid them to have sex and/or make it stat. rape and a huge taboo. It is normal to have sex....

By the way, the age is the same, sexual active at 17 yo. Because we have better sex ed. doesn't mean they start to act at a much younger age......

 

[h2whoa]

I didn't misunderstand.

I think it is obvious to all the readers of this thread that this, sadly, is not true.

 

[Silent Bob]

And you know as well as I how hard it is to buy condoms at your local drugstore. There is always someone who might know them who might know them and they might know your parents. We live in a small world.

You cannot imagine how small the world is when you grow up in a town like mine. Most sexually acitve kids in my school either stole them or didn't use them. Lets just say that under 18s are not too confortable whispering about condoms over drugstore counters esp since the cashier may know your parents. Recently I bought a preg. test and you should see the look at the pharmasists face!

 

[Bananafish]

I didn't misunderstand. I've been discussing abortion with the person I addressed in previous topics. The ignorant responses I have been receiving from those of you who deem yourselves deserving of correcting me, will only receive an assumption that education is indeed in order. Nothing has gone over my head, in fact, it appears that it's gone over most of yours.


Perhaps you can overlook this one, but I didn't, and this is where it all started.

Have you ever heard of sarcasm? I'm guessing no, because it seems to have flown right over your head.

 

[Argent]

Then there's always the option of women who don't want a child to keep there knees together.

 

[levi501]

Then there's always the option of women who don't want a child to keep there knees together.

You're just as responsible for stepping between her legs as she is for spreading them...

 

[belladonic-haze]

Then there's always the option of women who don't want a child to keep there knees together.

So, I should not make love to my husband, because condoms and even the pill aren't 100% safe and I am not allowed to have a child because it could endanger my health?????

Well, thank you, but no thanks!

 

[reverend B]

I didn't misunderstand. I've been discussing abortion with the person I addressed in previous topics. The ignorant responses I have been receiving from those of you who deem yourselves deserving of correcting me, will only receive an assumption that education is indeed in order. Nothing has gone over my head, in fact, it appears that it's gone over most of yours.


Perhaps you can overlook this one, but I didn't, and this is where it all started.

Re "kiddo" comment. I think I outgrew that one when I realized I had a year left before I'd turn 30. But I can hang with it, as long as you don't mind being called gramps in response.

the quote you say started it all was meant to illustrate the attitude of the predominantly white couples looking to adopt, but only looking to adopt white babies. trying to be friendly here. we all mis-read a post now and then. not a crime. is it reasonable to think that everyone is wrong except you?
kiddo was meant in a friendly way. if gramps is, too, then it sounds good to me. from my perspective, 30 is young. wanna trade? LOL!

 

[HeDied4Me]

This is partly why I see so much dishonesty in the anti-legal abortion movement. Honestly, I think a big part of the drive behind it is the desire to create a large pool of adoptable white babies. If we can get more pregnant white teens to give up their babies, then there will be a big pool of healthy white babies for infertile couples, some of whom seem to believe that they are "owed" a baby (although obviously not all have that attitude). That's just sad and wrong.

I don't know where you got that idea. I'm guessing there are very few pro-lifers who are motivated by that goal. The motivation for the pro-life movement is that we believe thousands of babies are being killed, and we want them to be able to live.

Do you have any specific examples which lead you to believe what you claimed about the pro-life movement, or was it only speculation? Because it is definitely wrong.

 

[Argent]

You're just as responsible for stepping between her legs as she is for spreading them...

What people so often are unwilling to say, especially the PCers, is that she's the one left with the baby. Now, blame that fact of human reproduction on God, on mother nature, or on the man-in-the-moon. It doesn't change the fact that she is the one left with the baby.

 

[Argent]

So, I should not make love to my husband, because condoms and even the pill aren't 100% safe and I am not allowed to have a child because it could endanger my health?????

Well, thank you, but no thanks!

Sheesh this is the most childish adolescent remark I have ever heard about this subject.....

Sorry you see it that way, but when a woman gets pregnant, she doesn't say "I'm having a fetus." She doesn't say "My fetus is due in April." She says "I'm having a baby."

Someday, you are going to have to stop the support for tearing a baby out of it's mother's womb.

 

[reverend B]

What people so often are unwilling to say, especially the PCers, is that she's the one left with the baby. Now, blame that fact of human reproduction on God, on mother nature, or on the man-in-the-moon. It's doesn't change the fact that she is the one left with the baby.

this is of course only true if the irresponsible man chooses to leave her with the baby. the responsibility is joint and will forever remain so as long as that child shall live. both parties are left with the baby. men just frequently don't swallow the ethical pill that comes with sexual participation. all your argument is stating is that men are at least as horrid as many women have tried to tell us they are. you have to understand what is inherent in your attitude. men are abdicating their half of the job. either that, men are too weak to say no. no matter how you slice it, it's a free pass for the gents, don't you think?

 

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I think it is obvious to all the readers of this thread that this, sadly, is not true.

No it isn't. It's only obvious to those who support abortion, or who do not believe in God and wish to oppose somebody who does.

What is obvious to me is that evil clings to evil when it decides to battle the glory of God, and there is no getting through to the heart, for the will of the flesh has blocked the path.

Perhaps you have confused me for somebody who is weak in the flesh, and willing to back down when you loudly declare your rightness. The enemy of God does this often.


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

Have you ever heard of sarcasm? I'm guessing no, because it seems to have flown right over your head.

In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals-these are the very things that destroy them. (Jude 1:8-10 NIV)

the quote you say started it all was meant to illustrate the attitude of the predominantly white couples looking to adopt, but only looking to adopt white babies. trying to be friendly here. we all mis-read a post now and then. not a crime. is it reasonable to think that everyone is wrong except you?

"It shouldn't surprise you...satan was once an angel of light and he can still appear as one. So it's no great thing for those under him to look like ministers of righteousness..." (2 Corinthians 11:14,15)

 

[Argent]

this is of course only true if the irresponsible man chooses to leave her with the baby. the responsibility is joint and will forever remain so as long as that child shall live. both parties are left with the baby. men just frequently don't swallow the ethical pill that comes with sexual participation. all your argument is stating is that men are at least as horrid as many women have tried to tell us they are. you have to understand what is inherent in your attitude. men are abdicating their half of the job. either that, men are too weak to say no. no matter how you slice it, it's a free pass for the gents, don't you think?

There's no free pass necessary if the women doesn't allow herself to be impregnated by a "horrid" man, right?

Both are not left with the baby. Is the man financially responsible? Yes, but good luck with the "horrid" ones. Is the man ethically responsible for the rearing of his children? Yes, but good luck with the "horrid" ones on the that too.

Yes, some men are abdicating their half of the job. That's nothing new. What you fail to acknowledge is that the woman carries the child, she gives birth to the child, and she is the one who is much more likely to rear the child alone if she opens her knees for a "horrid" man.

Therefore, a woman should be very, very, very careful who she lets between her legs, no matter how much he says he loves her, no matter how horny she is, no matter how hot he is, no matter how hot she thinks the sex is going to be.

If a woman lets a man impregnate her, she had bettered be very sure that she and he are committed to raising that baby into adulthood. Unwanted pregnancy is not justification for tearing a baby out of it's mother's womb. You want the adult pleasure, you have to take the adult responsibility.

 

[reverend B]

why isn't the same true for the guy?