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Skinster007 said:
Well it's nice to hear that numbers are going down. Why is europe doing better? I don't know. Maybe they hand out more condoms then us. Lol.

Honestly, that is somewhat true, especially in Scandanavia. Sweden, which has compulsary sexual education from a young age, which teaches abstiance as well as how to properly use condoms, has one of, if not the lowest (I can't remember the exact numbers) teen pregnancy and abortion rates in the world.

They also hand out free condoms and birth control is over the counter.

Schools in America are basically forced (they don't get government money if their secual education isn't abstinance only) to only teach abstinance, which leads us to have these huge teen pregnancy and abortion rates.

You have somewhat of a point about sexual things in the media. Sex sells though, and there's really nothing you can do about it. The problem with the theory though, is that sex in the media here in the US is pretty tame, compared to Euro countries, who have much lower rates of teen pregnancy and abortion.
 
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Paisley Rose said:
When we adopted the wait was only seven years. Now it is more like 14 or 15 years to wait to adopt. There is simply not enough children to adopt... the OP is totally off the beam. There are even more infertile couples waiting to adopt now than it was 20 years ago. Blame abortion on this fact the wait is so long.

This makes me sad. There are plenty of children who need homes; the foster care system is full of them. But, most of them are over 2, many of them aren't white, and a good number of them have a disability of some kind.

This is partly why I see so much dishonesty in the anti-legal abortion movement. Honestly, I think a big part of the drive behind it is the desire to create a large pool of adoptable white babies. If we can get more pregnant white teens to give up their babies, then there will be a big pool of healthy white babies for infertile couples, some of whom seem to believe that they are "owed" a baby (although obviously not all have that attitude). That's just sad and wrong.

The idea that there are huge numbers of 12-year-old kids having sex is just flat-out wrong, and we should be saddened when any 12-year-old child has sex, not shocked or offended, because nearly all kids who engage in sexual activity that young have backgrounds of sexual violence or other types of serious family dysfunction. The way to stop 12-year-old kids from having sex is not to tell them not to have it, but to make sure that kids are treated well when they are kids.

When we are talking about 15 and 16 year olds, that's a different story. You don't need to come from a messed-up family to have sex at 16. But, the fact is that pregnancies CAN be prevented by correct, regular condom use, as well as by other birth control methods. I was lucky enough to have a wonderful comprehensive sex ed class when I was in 9th grade. It was several years before I had sex, but the stuff we learned stayed with me. Once I began having sex I never engaged in risky behaviors. I had sex with one long-term boyfriend and then my husband (back when he was my long-term boyfriend), and with both of them I was a diligent user of birth control, and I generally used two methods at a time. I never got pregnant, until my husband and I began trying to.

When I was a senior, our school implemented an abstinence-only curriculum, and we got a wonderful sex ed program that consisted of our teacher refusing to answer anyone's questions, a video starring Kirk Cameron telling us not to have sex, and a school assembly that told us that condoms don't work, leading many of the sexually-active males to begin refusing to use condoms when they had sex with their girlfriends.

Hmm, which one was more effective?

I don't know why we don't connect the fact that we have the highest abortion rate in the industrialized world with the fact that we also have the most puritanical views of sex, but we don't.
 
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h2whoa said:
Here's a viable solution to abortion: "pro-lifers" should be forced to adopt all unwanted children in their country of residence. Of course, the adoptions will be shared out between all the pro-lifers evenly so as not to be unfair.

What do you think?

How about the women that don't want children keep their legs together?
 
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MethodMan said:
How about the women that don't want children keep their legs together?

Great solution. I especially like how it appears to be based on some sort of abiogenesis theory, where men apparently have no part in a woman getting pregnant.
 
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loriersea said:
Great solution. I especially like how it appears to be based on some sort of abiogenesis theory, where men apparently have no part in a woman getting pregnant.

It take two to tango but only one "No" is required.
 
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loriersea said:
But only if they are healthy white infants, right? Otherwise, that's just not faaairrrrr!

Because those who oppose abortion are only white right?

When you're finished directing the "school of stereotypes" you might try looking outside of your own box.

Some us cullah'd folk be willin' to stand against aboshun too missy. Now I don't mean no disruhspect to ya, no I shore don't. Don't whup me now. I ain't said nothin to bring ya down to my level of darkness, ya hear? You still white. I'm still not, cuz I knowz to be white you gotsta be 100%. Bein' paht black, paht jew folk, and just a smidge of whiteness, don't make me white. Heck, you still bettah. You still know mo' about my folk then me. You prolly right. Nunna ussin's oppose aborshun. Heck, we cain't even spell it.
 
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loriersea said:
This makes me sad. There are plenty of children who need homes; the foster care system is full of them. But, most of them are over 2, many of them aren't white, and a good number of them have a disability of some kind.

This is partly why I see so much dishonesty in the anti-legal abortion movement. Honestly, I think a big part of the drive behind it is the desire to create a large pool of adoptable white babies. If we can get more pregnant white teens to give up their babies, then there will be a big pool of healthy white babies for infertile couples, some of whom seem to believe that they are "owed" a baby (although obviously not all have that attitude). That's just sad and wrong.

Well of course you must be right, because disabled children and children who aren't white don't really deserve to live, right? Now if we could only develop some kind of test to show that a child is disabled or not 100% white, then we could just abort all of them, and the world would be a better place. That's what it looks like you're suggesting to me.

Wow... incredible. :doh:

FEAR IS BORN OF IGNORANCE.
 
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Adiya said:
Well of course you must be right, because disabled children and children who aren't white don't really deserve to live, right? Now if we could only develop some kind of test to show that a child is disabled or not 100% white, then we could just abort all of them, and the world would be a better place. That's what it looks like you're suggesting to me.

Wow... incredible. :doh:

FEAR IS BORN OF IGNORANCE.

What on earth are you talking about? At what point did I say that these children did not deserve to live?
 
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It take two to tango but only one "No" is required.

Typical closed-minded Christian man. Leave it to the Christian religion to set humanity back a thousand years.

Of course! No matter what, it must be the woman's fault, because men never ever pressure women to have sex. No way! And hey, if two people want to have sex and the girl gets pregnant, it's her fault!

TWO PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED, and it is no more the woman's "fault" than it is the man's.
 
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Adiya said:
Well of course you must be right, because disabled children and children who aren't white don't really deserve to live, right? Now if we could only develop some kind of test to show that a child is disabled or not 100% white, then we could just abort all of them, and the world would be a better place. That's what it looks like you're suggesting to me.

Wow... incredible. :doh:

FEAR IS BORN OF IGNORANCE.

Um. Are you insane? Go back and read again.

Haha, wow.
 
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MethodMan said:
It take two to tango but only one "No" is required.

And I suppose you believe it should always be the woman who is responsible for saying no, because they just aren't as sexually-driven as men? So, we can't expect any man to say no to sex, and if he has premarital sex, it is the fault of the woman for not restraining his urges?

:sigh:
 
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loriersea said:
And I suppose you believe it should always be the woman who is responsible for saying no, because they just aren't as sexually-driven as men? So, we can't expect any man to say no to sex, and if he has premarital sex, it is the fault of the woman for not restraining his urges?

:sigh:

What? Didn't you know that women don't HAVE sexual urges? The only urge she has is to please a man.
 
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loriersea said:
And I suppose you believe it should always be the woman who is responsible for saying no, because they just aren't as sexually-driven as men? So, we can't expect any man to say no to sex, and if he has premarital sex, it is the fault of the woman for not restraining his urges?

:sigh:


Now how did you get all that from what I said?
 
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