Abortion, right or wrong?

[Phred]

We have laws against the murder of another person. If you wish to make abortion a crime you'll have to prove that it is the murder of a person and then the law can take action. It's really that simple. What you think god wants doesn't matter. What you think is moral or immoral doesn't matter. We've defined the crime, now just show that there's been a victim.

The problem is, you can't. The argument that life begins at conception is wrong. By that definition of life, it began before the egg was fertilized. And you're surely not going to be convicting a man of murder for masturbating, are you? No... a process begins at conception. The process of the growth of a human being. But it's not a human being yet, you know it, we all know it. Cells with potential don't equate to a person. The equate to something that might one day BE a person.

But when... when does that potential become a person? it's not at the beginning... it is at the end. All you have to do is define the line and apply the law.

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[Adam81]

The argument that life begins at conception is wrong. By that definition of life, it began before the egg was fertilized. And you're surely not going to be convicting a man of murder for masturbating, are you?

This is a very silly point... Please make sure you are thinking clearly when you make your point.

I would also recommend people read at least the previous 4 to 5 pages, as there is a lot of good posts from many different sides (there are many more than just two sides).

 

[new_world_savage]

The difference between my belief and yours is that you want to restrict choice (make people adhere to your moral views) whereas mine is to allow choice. I find mine more morally correct.

Conversely, I feel that your viewpoint could make an easy road open to the person who is looking for an abortion of convenience. Even from an existentialist viewpoint, this is dangerous. Greatest good for the greatest number? Who can tell if you're looking to reduce the issue to a simple case of broad choice versus strict rules?

The issue is not about finding a viewpoint that offers blanket cover in all instances. To say that the Christian view (when I say this, I AM making an admittedly broad statement, perhaps based on the poll results) restricts choice is as short-sighted as to outright condemn Pro-Choice. However, as with most issues in life, I feel that the benefit in turning to prayer and scripture for an answer is that it can (should) provide a personal moral anchor point, rather than the inherent vacillation of purely self-moralizing preservation (not to belittle the heavy decisions made by any non-Christians) - but the choice still remains up to the individual.

I voted against abortion in the poll because I was a complicated pregnancy, and I'm sure glad that my folks didn't cut me off for some potential danger to themselves. But everyone's situation is different.

Also, don't most people find their own viewpoints more morally correct? Does that really help anything?

 

[Amurphycat]

I have a friend whose mother had him when she was 19 years old

Not young, but I am sure that other 19yearolds have had or may have an abortion

I am so happy to be able to talk to my friend, and have met him.

I do think that abortion, is not the main problem. Teaching Kids how to avoid it is...........

Premartial Sex is not the Exact problem(i realize the door being opened but hang tight), it is uneducated premartial sex(or marital at times).

I want to find a balance between womens right to choose, Pro-choice, and getting rid of abortion.


Womens rights, And being able to choose are really important things to me.

I don't agree with abortion, but I can at least see why it has existed. (i don't think people enjoy it- abortions, but it happens, just like WAR; which kills many times more people)

 

[Dr. Holly]

Abortion is immoral to most Christians.

I think the problem with abortion is that too many people use it as an easy way out. Young adults and grown adults alike should learn that just because they choose to have sex, doesn't mean that they don't have to live with the consequences.

I am all for the woman's right to choose, but more women should take it a little more seriously. In the case of rape, I completely understand why a woman would choose to abort. Do I think it's right? That's not really for me to say. The choice is the individuals. However, if a woman is raped and has a child -- the thought of looking at that child and remembering each and every day what happened to her is painful. Giving the child up for adoption could mean that some day that child would want to meet his/her real parents. Then what? Their dad is a rapist?

There are only a couple of reasons that I could consider agreeing with one's choice to abort. Other than that, it is unacceptable in my opinion. A precious life is not something to waste just because you didn't want to deal with it.

 

[rainbowmoon]

I believe that abortion is immoral, and I am not necessarily a Christian. To me, it is something that is obviously wrong.
However, I would never claim that we should make abortion illegal, and I will tell you why. To me, at the point our society is at (and this is a sad commentary on society) abortion is a necessary evil. The day children are not born addicted to crack, with AIDS, thrown in dumpsters, left abused, unwanted, and neglected is the day that I believe we can outlaw abortion.
To summarize my main point, I just think that making abortion illegal will cause more societal problems than it will solve.

 

[AndrewJ]

I voted:

I am a christian. I don't see anything wrong with it. (to a point)

There are reasons why I voted the way I did, probably repeating what you may have heard already but, here it goes in point form.

1. Reasons to Have an abortion (if the woman chooses to do so);
a. Rape.
b. If the fetus is found to have a life threatening disease.

2. Reason Not to have an abortion;
a. Birth control.
b. Anything not mentioned in #1.

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John 1:41
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[DrFate]

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[Crusader_4_Christ]

I voted:

I am a christian. I don't see anything wrong with it. (to a point)

There are reasons why I voted the way I did, probably repeating what you may have heard already but, here it goes in point form.

1. Reasons to Have an abortion (if the woman chooses to do so);
a. Rape.
b. If the fetus is found to have a life threatening disease.

2. Reason Not to have an abortion;
a. Birth control.
b. Anything not mentioned in #1.

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John 1:41
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So you believe in the conditional morality of Abortion?

 

[AndrewJ]

So you believe in the conditional morality of Abortion?

A woman should have a choice when it comes to certain circumstances (eg: #1 stated in my previous post)

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John 1:41
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[Crusader_4_Christ]

A woman should have a choice when it comes to certain circumstances (eg: #1 stated in my previous post)

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John 1:41
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Your looking at it from a human perspective. Whether abortion is ethical or not should be determined by God's standards not man's humanistic morality.

Abortion anyway you slice it is the murder of an unborn child.

 

[aca_rev55]

I got noooo problem with it... not one bit. Go for it.

 

[AndrewJ]

Your looking at it from a human perspective. Whether abortion is ethical or not should be determined by God's standards not man's humanistic morality.

Abortion anyway you slice it is the murder of an unborn child.

Women should have a choice in this case. Who are we to judge when God is the one in the end who makes calls.

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John 1:41
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[aca_rev55]

Actually... I believe they can kill the fetus before it is technically alive. So technically what they're doing is just preventing life, not destroying what's already there. Either way I still don't have any problem with it.

 

[Tanyalita]

This is a really complex topic. I personally wouldn't get an abortion. I know for a fact in the case of rape, I would WANT to get rid of it, but I'm not sure what I would actually do.

 

[Amurphycat]

I believe that in Spirit, and Plan, that life begins at the earliest possible stage(spiritual life).
To me(in my beliefs in God), life begins before the first breath of air. It exists as soon as god knows it to exist(before you even know you are pregnuant).

That is what I think

I am not sure, the circumstances reguarding Rape, and incest.

My beliefs in good tell me, I should stand up for the Women.

We have always lived in a world controlled mainly by men(well, the bible suggests reason for this, but also gives women a MAJOR role).

I would not want people making decisions on the women's behalf (who is the one who is pregnaunt).

What we need to change more than abortion, is the reason abortion occurs.
(to say it simply without implying too much, i am scared to leave Horomonal men in charge. I don't want men to leave a women when she is pregnaunt, and it is also his doing- That to me is very morally wrong)

So for Abortion to be Illegal, which I hope someday soon. I would like to see us as humans, make a decision to stop the reason for them to have occured in the first place.

We have to cut it off at the begining, not the end. If we cut things off at the end, we will leave some things left unfinished. Although, many have shown that it is wrong ALWAYS.

I think it is a niceness in me, that wants to take away the burden. So as this battle continues, it will be what is written in the bible that will change the outcome in our minds. However this is still difficult to teach someone who is not "of the faith". We would have to break that on different grounds. We will both have to find a Moral aggrement between the two.

The easiest way is to convert all to christianity(mine=belief in Christ), Religon (or to GOD= Good God). Although if we figured that part out we would have already done that.

 

[DrFate]

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This thread is about abortion? OK
The political debate about abortion is part of a strategy to distract the populace from the activities of the power elite.
I worked on William Allen's senate campaign. The only lasting hing about it was his comercial showing an abortion. It hopefully convinced some people not to have them.

 

[lady_of_god]

abortion is wrong... period.

 

[DrFate]

I believe that abortion is not murder, at least through most of the pregnancy. It is about as "alive" as the skin cells on your arm. Ill post a link as soon as the boards let me, when I have 15 posts.

How much recent science on this matter have you read puppy?

 

[hiumble1]

OK,
lets see if I am getting this right.
We are all playing this game, where there are rules, these rules determine whether or you have completed the game and won at the end. As you are playing the game you do not like the rules, so you change the definition of the rules (you create a loophole)... and now you what....




Your not an attorney are you?