Abortion, right or wrong?

[cjonesy22002]

i think adoption should be the woman's choice, but before she considers it, she should be well informed about adoption.

 

[skilltroks]

It is wrong. It's homicide/murder. Even if I wasn't a Christian I still think it would be wrong.. you can get arrested for homicide.

 

[hamishgraham]

In the debate on abortion, there is no room for moral superiority. The decision to abort a baby/fetus/embryo is one of the most difficult and traumatic decisions a woman could ever make. She needs love, support and understanding during this time of vulnerability - not condemnation.

I am currently working in Thailand, where abortion is legal only if rape, incest or threatening the woman's life. Backyard abortions occur everyday, often with disastrous consequences. Just last night I treated such a women - bleeding in body and broken in soul.

Please give women the opportunity to make the decision themselves.

 

[Icicle]

It is wrong. It's homicide/murder. Even if I wasn't a Christian I still think it would be wrong.. you can get arrested for homicide.

Yet somehow you can't get arrested for an abortion. Hmm... now what could that possibly suggest?

 

[Diane_Windsor]

I didn't vote because I didn't find my answer.

Scripture is completely silent on this issue, therefore, it is between the woman and God Almighty. In some cases abortion might be morally wrong and in others it might not. Again, it is between a woman and God Almighty, and she will be the one who will answer for her decision come Judgement Day. Each case is different.

DW

 

[InnerPhyre]

http://www.dbcuuc.org/sermons/001001.htm <-- Why Abortion is not Murder

You are Catholic. To be Catholic is to be against abortion and to acknowledge that it is absoultely murder. This is not an optional belief.

 

[wardpossy]

It is a violation of the law of Christ. Period

 

[wardpossy]

How much is one human life worth? It's a question that's being debated on several fronts, from abortion to euthanasia.

How do we know that each person on earth has distinct and separate value? What proof do we have that every individual man and woman and child should be treasured?

We know the value of each person—because of Jesus.

The following story appeared in the Church Herald: "Muretus, a Christian scholar of the 16th century, became ill while on a trip. The doctors who were called in to treat him did not know him. He looked so much like an ordinary individual that they said, 'Let's try an experiment on him, for he looks of no importance.'" Muretus overheard this remark, and he called to the doctors, "Call not any man cheap for whom Christ died." The apostle Paul, referring to Christ, said that He "died for all" (2 Cor. 5:15). Jesus said that it was because of God's love for the world that the Father sent His Son to die on the cross (Jn. 3:16). Indeed, if Christ gave His life so that each person could be forgiven through faith in Him—and He did—then each person is more valuable than we could ever imagine. When He died for all, He died for each. And that should show us the value of one.

 

[jgarden]

It appears that the concerns of the Pro-life advocates suddenly evaporate after the child is born. The welfare of the baby is every bit as important as that of the fetus. Why aren't the Pro-lifers in the vanguard of those proposing programs concerning daycare, affordable housing, child care programs, etc. to make carrying a child full-term a viable option?

 

[AngelusSax]

It appears that the concerns of the Pro-life advocates suddenly evaporate after the child is born. The welfare of the baby is every bit as important as that of the fetus. Why aren't the Pro-lifers in the vanguard of those proposing programs concerning daycare, affordable housing, child care programs, etc. to make carrying a child full-term a viable option?

Hopefully they'll start doing that as well.

 

[paceace]

Here is a thought, have you ever thought God could have been saving the Children?

Yes God was Avenging Israel by destroying the Midanites. There was a plague it does not say what kind but it was serious enough that the men who slew anyone had to cleanse themselves and purify themselves and their captives on the 3rd and 7th day.

There was no medicine back then for plagues and wide spread disease. A lot of law revolved around preventing disease and things that could wipe out God's children. Saving the children by taking their life before accountability is one explanation.

God could accomplish two things. Stop the plague and save the innocent. Just my take and it could be way off base so check with your pastor.

As for abortion, any Christian that prays earnestly as to whether abortion is right or wrong will have that answer in short order. That is what I believe.

 

[ravenscape]

I believe this is far too complex a question for such limited possible poll answers.

 

[Adam81]

Abortion is one thing I don't agree with, and very rarely is it because of a possible life-threatening or dibilitating disease. I think more advertising is needed to encourage women to put children up for adoption instead of having an abortion, even in cases of rape, as I believe this could help the healing process.
As for the age-old adage that it is the woman's body, the people who use the phrase forget very easily about the body inside the womb that is being killed, and the woman's body is not being affected very much by the abortion. I am also frustrated by the many euphemisms used by many people (ie terminating pregnancy instead of killing a baby). I also cannot understand the practice of murdering abortion doctors, as it is a massive hypocracy.
Most people don't know how an abortion is carried out. My wife, Emmarose, studied it at school for an assignment. One way that an abortion is performed is by injecting a saline solution into the amniotic fluid, thus killing the baby by burning out the organs - including the lungs. This would be a very painful way for anybody to be terminated, and I think it is up to us to learn and edjucate others about the process and the other options there are available to people aside from abortion.

 

[tuba_peter]

Abotion. it is the one of the worst thing that a woman could do. Aborting a child is like killing an inocent person, it's comitting murder, it's comitting a sin. !! IT IS WRONG !!

 

[merryheart]

It appears that the concerns of the Pro-life advocates suddenly evaporate after the child is born. The welfare of the baby is every bit as important as that of the fetus. Why aren't the Pro-lifers in the vanguard of those proposing programs concerning daycare, affordable housing, child care programs, etc. to make carrying a child full-term a viable option?

Some do, but not nearly enough. There are a few who believe that Love is the only acceptable way to change hearts regarding abortion. These people tend to do their work quietly, and not for show - unlike the noisy sign-wavers

 

[Adam81]

Saline abortions are rarely performed these days in the US because of the risk of infection in the woman, and because it is not the most effective means of abortion. When my mother did her nursing internship in an abortion clinic in the mid 80's, even then they were pushing away from that form of abortion because of the damage can do to the inside of the woman. In the US, the major forms of abortion are RU-486, D&C, and in lesser instances suction followed by a D&C. I've had a medical D&C and I'm going to need another one here shortly, and I think I can confidently say it's far more painful to the woman than it would be to the fetus at the stage of development its in.

It doesn't surprise me very much that people would be trying to push away that form of abortion.
Also, here in Australia, public schools get allocatied less money by the Government than rich private schools, and many have encyclopeadias and other resource books from even as far back as the 60's or 70's, (which would be why the information was a bit out-dated) but people need to realise that it is a baby in there, with lungs and a heart at that stage. Jerusha, could you also explain to me how these other forms of abortion work?

I would be happy if late term abortions were banned. I mean, if an abortion was necessary, you would have decided within the first month.
Late term abortions are when the feotus is over 20 weeks gestation - many babies are being born almost that prem.
I think most of us agree that abortions should not be done on demand - most people on this forum, who do believe that there are times when an abortion is necessary, would probably agree when I repeat myself and say that more needs to be done, to counsel expectant mothers, or expectant grandmothers (one of my wife's friends was forced to get an abotion by her mother) about adoption as a possibility. With an adoption, if you change your mind later, you can still try and find your child.

I agree that more needs to be done to help those who have given birth and kept their baby. In Australia, there is now a $3000 (?) 'baby bonus', to help people with the costs of bringing up a child. The government also offers extra payments if a child has disabilities. I am not sure what other governments have in place, but I believe also 'moral support' should be given to these mothers (and fathers) as well.

I hope I haven't rambled too much

 

[wardpossy]

Just think of the little life and soul that wont ever get the chance to reveal who they were, a little bundle of love that we wil never know, it makes me sad.

 

[Adam81]

Then in week 24 the fetus was diagnosed with a condition where the brain is divided in two by the developing skull and the “roof of the mouth” hadn’t developed…

This is one that proves you need to look at pregnancies on a case-by-case basis. But I also believe that family should also factor into the choice. In Australia, a lot of abortions are carried out simply because the mother doesn't want the child. For couples who cannot conceive, it is nearly impossible to adopt a baby - my father (mark53) is an only child and was lucky to survive child-birth. My grandmother had many other unsuccessful attempts at having another child. She also tried adoption, and the only person was a five-year old girl who had a lot of problems and was very unsuitable.
I think abortion is covered by medicare in Australia, and in the case of the woman you knew and similar cases, an abortion looks to be quite necessary.
And Jerusha, thankyou for you impartial thoughts, which have made it easier for many people to understand.

 

[Lucretius]

I believe it is a woman's choice, and women should decide on it.

On it being biblically immoral…I happen to have a Bible on me just for reference.

Now, let us refer to Mark 16:16 — "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

Looks like that little "innocent" fetus is NOT baptized, and it does NOT believe. It is already worthy of condemnation and it hasn't even popped out of the womb yet! Don't say "the fetus hasn't had a chance to get baptized and believe"; the Bible doesn't say "He who will believe" it says "He who believes" — present tense, not future. The fetus doesn't believe. It is condemned.

 

[Adam81]

Looks like that little "innocent" fetus is NOT baptized, and it does NOT believe. It is already worthy of condemnation and it hasn't even popped out of the womb yet! Don't say "the fetus hasn't had a chance to get baptized and believe"; the Bible doesn't say "He who will believe" it says "He who believes" — present tense, not future. The fetus doesn't believe. It is condemned.

Not everybody believes in the Catholic 'Original Sin' doctrine.
I am a member of the Churches of Christ (Australia), and we believe that if you don't get to a point of being able to make a choice (ie infant, miscarriage or abortion), then you haven't chosen to sin, therefore cannot be condemned, so I find it hard to see the validity of that point, because it would be the same as a misscarriage, still-born or a new-born baby that dies immediately after birth.