Abortion Poll

[Archivist]

Absolutly!
But in the situation giving where I said that....This was the only option.

Unfortunatly...we can't save them all. I wish we could, but it isn't realistic. As far as my experience....there have been times when I was the only person there to help and multiple patients. A decision has to be made and the most savable is the correct decission.

What if the pregnant is not the most savable, but would still have a very good chance of being saved and asks that her life be saved rather than the life of the fetus or, in case she is unconscious, has left instructions prior to the delivery that her life is to be the one saved? Are you saying that it is up to the doctors to ignore her decision and save the fetus.

If this is the case, I would stay out of your hospital if I were a pregnant woman!

 

[Kroger99]

What if the pregnant is not the most savable, but would still have a very good chance of being saved and asks that her life be saved rather than the life of the fetus or, in case she is unconscious, has left instructions prior to the delivery that her life is to be the one saved? Are you saying that it is up to the doctors to ignore her decision and save the fetus.

If this is the case, I would stay out of your hospital if I were a pregnant woman!

First...If I was the only doctor in my hospitol, I wouldn't blame you for staying out....lol

I'm not sure what the law is in your hypothetical...to be honest. Lets be clear....If God grants me the skill, Both will survive, but if not...I would try and save the life of the mother if that were the case.

For the record....I'm not nor have ever been a doctor. I am a retired firefighter/emt who does have field experience. Sometimes in the field, we don't have the benifit of a large staff to handle multiple patients. Sometimes....we were on our own until more personel arrive. Then and only then do you only concider going for the most savable. When there is plenty of people....everyone is concidered savavble until they are obviously not.

 

[Jamme]

What if the pregnant is not the most savable, but would still have a very good chance of being saved and asks that her life be saved rather than the life of the fetus or, in case she is unconscious, has left instructions prior to the delivery that her life is to be the one saved? Are you saying that it is up to the doctors to ignore her decision and save the fetus.

If this is the case, I would stay out of your hospital if I were a pregnant woman!

It is things like this which prevented me from considering a career in O+G. Even if I refused to perform abortions, situations like the ones you describe would still arise.

 

[Archivist]

It is things like this which prevented me from considering a career in O+G. Even if I refused to perform abortions, situations like the ones you describe would still arise.

It would be a difficult call. My understanding of the law is that at where written instructions that I described have been provided the doctor is bound to follow them. I presume that this would likewise apply to verbal instructions given by the pregnant woman.

 

[Nanee5]

Abortion is murder, in any scenerio, in any instance. Incest and rape are not the child's fault. There is always adoption. There are so many people out there who cannot have children who would love these babies. And as far as the mother's life being at stake...there is almost no scenerio where that is even a possibility in this day and age. That is where they would do an emergency C-section, not kill the baby... I can't believe how satan has blinded the eyes of so many people...

 

[Archivist]

And as far as the mother's life being at stake...there is almost no scenerio where that is even a possibility in this day and age.

Interesting given that a girl who graduated from high school with me died in childbirth back in the mid-1990's. I don't think that things have changed all that much in 10 years.

 

[Nanee5]

I didn't say that women still don't die in childbirth, I said there is no scenario where killing the baby would save the mother...

 

[Charlie V]

I didn't say that women still don't die in childbirth, I said there is no scenario where killing the baby would save the mother...

Hypothetically:

A pregnant woman discovers she has cancer.
Chemotherapy will save the woman from cancer, at least for now, and may send it into remission.
Chemotherapy will kill the baby.

This is an impossible occurrance?

Unless.. are you trying to say that everyone has an allotted place and an allotted time, so no matter what we do, the day we die is set in stone, so the mother who died in childbirth as described by the other poster, if the fetus was terminated early, the mother would spontaneously die for no reason because it's her alloted place and time?

If so, doesn't that go for the baby too? You can't kill it, really, because it will die anyway in its allotted place at its allotted time?

Charlie

 

[CCGirl]

...there is almost no scenerio where that is even a possibility in this day and age.

WOW!! I had an ectopic pregnancy removed to save my life...am I a murderer in your eyes?

- there are also instances of uterine/cervical cancer where an abortion has been done to save the mothers life.

 

[larose]

Interesting given that a girl who graduated from high school with me died in childbirth back in the mid-1990's.

Did the baby survive?

 

[larose]

Hypothetically:
A pregnant woman discovers she has cancer.Chemotherapy will save the woman from cancer, at least for now, and may send it into remission.
Chemotherapy will kill the baby.This is an impossible occurrance?

Actually this happened just recently and the mother did
refuse the chemo (which guarantees nothing), in order
to allow her baby life.

Unless.. are you trying to say that everyone has an allotted place and an allotted time, so no matter what we do, the day we die is set in stone, so the mother who died in childbirth as described by the other poster, if the fetus was terminated early, the mother would spontaneously die for no reason because it's her alloted place and time?If so, doesn't that go for the baby too? You can't kill it, really, because it will die anyway in its allotted place at its allotted time? Charlie

The only thing which happens for sure when you kill the baby,
is that you kill the baby. The mother may die or live, but you
will always have a dead baby.


chris

 

[larose]

....the rights of the mother outweigh any
rights the fetus might have.

Why does the baby not have the right to live?
Isn't the purpose of a mother to birth children,
not kil them?


chris

 

[larose]

It just makes more sense to me to kill the rapist instead of the Baby. The baby has done nothing wrong!

Murder is always wrong.

 

[larose]

No woman should be forced to carry a baby conceived through rape. Fortunately in these days of the morning after pill, this situation is soon sorted.

Tell that to the children born of rape or their moms.


chris

 

[Nanee5]

A pregnant woman discovers she has cancer.
Chemotherapy will save the woman from cancer, at least for now, and may send it into remission.
Chemotherapy will kill the baby.

This is an impossible occurrance?

This scenario is not abortion though... I am talking about killing the baby on purpose ...most mothers that I have seen refuse chemo until after the birth if possible.. I know one personally.

 

[Nanee5]

WOW!! I had an ectopic pregnancy removed to save my life...am I a murderer in your eyes?

- there are also instances of uterine/cervical cancer where an abortion has been done to save the mothers life.

Of course not. Ectopic pregnancy is an occurance that is not even in the equation. The baby would not develop to maturity anyway, in that situation. I am speaking of viable babies, that would live if not messed with by outside forces.

 

[satrunstar]

Its wrong in every way. It is not the childs fault no matter the situation. If you were rapped just think of it as God's blessing in a horrible crime. If you are foolish and have sex out of wed lock than grow up and take responsability. If you are old enough to have sex, than you are old enough to get a job, get a place to live and raise your child. God says it is murder. He didn't say don't murder men women and children, excluding the babies and unborn. He said DO NOT MURDER!

 

[ACougar]

I'm all for promoting responsible behavior and honoring proto-human lives, however the idea that the instant a sperm wiggles it's way into an egg a being with full human rights is created is just insane IMO.

Its wrong in every way. It is not the childs fault no matter the situation. If you were rapped just think of it as God's blessing in a horrible crime. If you are foolish and have sex out of wed lock than grow up and take responsability. If you are old enough to have sex, than you are old enough to get a job, get a place to live and raise your child. God says it is murder. He didn't say don't murder men women and children, excluding the babies and unborn. He said DO NOT MURDER!

 

[Archivist]

Did the baby survive?

He did.

 

[Charlie V]

The only thing which happens for sure when you kill the baby,
is that you kill the baby. The mother may die or live, but you
will always have a dead baby.

Unless it's early, and there never was a baby, but just an undeveloped fetus that had the potential to some day become a baby.

Charlie