Abortion Poll

[Jamme]

A lot of this discussion seems to be based on two extreme views which do not appear to acknowledge the differences in a foetus at different stages of pregnancy. In my opinion there is a big difference between killing the embryo when it is just a clump of unspecialised cells and before it develops a nervous system, or killing it when it is much more developed and capable of thinking/experiencing. The poll didn't really take account of this, it only mentioned development in relation to the level of dependence on the mother, so I voted "other".

I would therefore limit abortion so that it could only be performed before there has been significant development of the brain and nervous system. Before that stage I don't think the embryo could be considered to have anything resembling a mind or soul.

Foetuses have a beating heart and measurable brain waves at around 3 weeks after conception. By this stage, most women do not even know they are pregnant. Your proposal constitutes a theoretical cutoff, which has very very little meaning in the reality of the abortion culture.

But - of course - if your opinion is that abortion be allowed during the first 20 days of gestation, you're very entitled to it

 

[larose]

I voted for the second option, but that's only my opinion. I believe abortion should remain legal because I think outlawing it is just a quick, easy way to deal with the problem. It'd be better to address the root of the problem (not enough sex-ed, not enough good parenting, not enough support for teenage/unwed mothers or those who end up with a surprise pregnancy they don't know how to deal with) rather than just make abortion illegal.

Let's keep killing unborn babies legal, because making it
illegal is just an easy and quick way to stop the killing?! Huh!

The reason abortion is so prevalent is because of the failure
of sex ed, which simply tells folks to use safe sex - which is
obviously not safe! Folks believe the lies, keep having sex
expecting not to be expecting and bam, they're pregnant.
What happened i used protection. We can't have this baby,
we didn't want it. So why were you doing it? This is what
happens, basic bio 1. Sex is not just something you do to
have fun - it has a God given purpose. Love and children.

This is what is NOT being taught in schools, because they
won't allow it to be taught! We can't talk about God in
school, so let's just pretend He doesn't exist.


Pax eT Bonum,

chris

 

[larose]

Abortion should always be an available option in cases of rape or incest. I am undecided as to whether abortion is ethical if it would mean the mother's death if she carried it to term. Since late term abortions are generally considered unethical, I would say only if it is early on in the pregnancy and only if there is no doubt that carrying to term would mean certain death for the mother.

Is the child of incest or rape, not a child of God?
Why shouldn't she be allowed to live?

Who decides whtehr to kill the baby or not?
Are they certain the mother will die?

What is the church of "the left-hand way"?


Peace,

chris

 

[larose]

Generally speaking, I find abortion is most often just a way of not taking responsibility for doing something stupid.

chris

 

[larose]

Abortion is acceptable ONLY when the mother would die if she carried the pregnancy to term. Abortion for any other reason is Murder!!!

Killing a baby is never acceptable.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

How does one know this for sure?

Sometimes, one knows for sure.

This is counter to what your church teaches.

I could try to justify it using the principle of double effect like the Church does with some abortions, but I think the principle of double effect merely a sophistication.

 

[Ben Borg Again]

I think if a christian mother truly loved her children, and wanted a large family where ever single child will be in heaven together forever,

she would abort every single one of her children, out of Unselfish Sacrificial Love.

This way she could hypothetically have a huge amount of children and every single one will go to heaven. the children would recognize the unselfish loving act that their mother did.

Although it would be somewhat of a strange thing to see in Heaven. A mother walking down the streets of Gold with a hundred fetuses following her, she would have to make them all wear brightly colored clothes so drivers would be able to see them all.
Maybe make them all wear little bells on their shoes.

 

[ACougar]

I'd like to see "day-after" pills as common as birth control pills. Let us simply make the need for abortions outdated. If you had sex and you might be pregnant and you don't want a child take a "day-after" pill. I don't see it as being the same as an abortion and it could one day eliminate the need for 95% of the abortions that happen today.

Foetuses have a beating heart and measurable brain waves at around 3 weeks after conception. By this stage, most women do not even know they are pregnant. Your proposal constitutes a theoretical cutoff, which has very very little meaning in the reality of the abortion culture.


But - of course - if your opinion is that abortion be allowed during the first 20 days of gestation, you're very entitled to it

 

[Jamme]

I'd like to see "day-after" pills as common as birth control pills. Let us simply make the need for abortions outdated. If you had sex and you might be pregnant and you don't want a child take a "day-after" pill. I don't see it as being the same as an abortion and it could one day eliminate the need for 95% of the abortions that happen today.

I don't agree, but I think cudos is deserved for making a logical statement based on a combination of fact and your opinion

 

[meebs]

I think if a christian mother truly loved her children, and wanted a large family where ever single child will be in heaven together forever,

she would abort every single one of her children, out of Unselfish Sacrificial Love.

This way she could hypothetically have a huge amount of children and every single one will go to heaven. the children would recognize the unselfish loving act that their mother did.

Although it would be somewhat of a strange thing to see in Heaven. A mother walking down the streets of Gold with a hundred fetuses following her, she would have to make them all wear brightly colored clothes so drivers would be able to see them all.
Maybe make them all wear little bells on their shoes.

erm... :o quite scary today ben

 

[Autumnleaf]

I think if a christian mother truly loved her children, and wanted a large family where ever single child will be in heaven together forever,

she would abort every single one of her children, out of Unselfish Sacrificial Love.

Murder is forbidden for Christians to engage in as it is sin. The time of the end of our lives is in God's hands. For us to subject our will to take the life of another is an affront to God who made us. We are to trust in him and live as Jesus taught us to, or go to Hell for our defiance.

 

[larose]

Sometimes, one knows for sure.

Often they are wrong and the baby is born perfect.

I could try to justify it using the principle of double effect like the Church does with some abortions, but I think the principle of double effect merely a sophistication.

Sounds like double-talk to me. The Church has never
justified abortion!


Pax,

chris

 

[larose]

I think if a christian mother truly loved her children, and wanted a large family where ever single child will be in heaven together forever,she would abort every single one of her children, out of Unselfish Sacrificial Love.Although it would be somewhat of a strange thing to see in Heaven. A mother walking down the streets of Gold with a hundred fetuses following her....

Perfect logic BB - kill my babies and we'll all be in
Heaven together forever.

 

[larose]

I don't agree, but I think cudos is deserved for making a logical statement based on a combination of fact and your opinion

There is nothing logical about playing God.
And her facts are also incorrect - the morning
after pill can kill the already fertilized embryo,
as well as harm the woman.


chris

 

[larose]

But for people who hate their own children / family members and want to kill them, an extended abortion policy would be preferable. It could even be extended to dependent adults. Old people and disabled people could be legally killed if their guardians choose to do so. Unemployed people, and people with illnesses which make them dependent upon state,too.

This is exactly what is happening in countries with euthanasia
policies like Holland. It is no joke. It happened in the US just
this past spring with the government ordered killing of a disabled
woman, Terri Schiavo.


chris

 

[larose]

In this rare situation, someone is going to die....either the Mother or the Child. Who are we to make that decission as to which one goes....Mom or baby? Which one is more Savable? That is the decision that has to be made and someone has to make it. That is the question that I have had to ask myself more times than I care to discuss.

Shouldn't one try to save them both and let God be
the final arbiter?


chris

 

[Kroger99]

Shouldn't one try to save them both and let God be
the final arbiter?


chris

Absolutly!
But in the situation giving where I said that....This was the only option.

Unfortunatly...we can't save them all. I wish we could, but it isn't realistic. As far as my experience....there have been times when I was the only person there to help and multiple patients. A decision has to be made and the most savable is the correct decission.

 

[larose]

Yes...when it comes to children, I am very Pro-Life. However, when it comes to criminal activity (Like rape and Murder), I lean towards a just punishment like exicution.

Either you are pro-life or pro-death and God tells
us which to choose:
Deuteronomy 30:19 (NIV) 19 This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.

 

[larose]

Unborn children do not qualify as parasites either - except for poeple who do not understand the definition of 'parasite.'

Parasite: An organism that grows, feeds and is
sheltered on or in a different organism.

By definition any developing baby inside it's mother
is not in a different organism, no matter what species.


chris

 

[Kroger99]

Either you are pro-life or pro-death and God tells
us which to choose:
Deuteronomy 30:19 (NIV) 19 This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.

The terms "Pro-Life", Pro-Choice" and "Pro-Abortion" are specific to abortion. Anything else is just the argument that the Pro-Choicers and Pro-Abortionist choose to make a point.

The same could be said in reverse about most Pro-Choice/Pro-Abortionist are against the death penalty, but who's counting...right?