ABORTION POLL 4 - LAST ONE... I Promise

[taedium]

In cases where rape has been proven in a court of law. In cases where there is a physical health threat to the mother (i.e. not psychological) abortion would also seem OK.

 

[flicka]

If you were raped, god let it happen for a reason.

If you can possibly die, then go ahead and have the baby, at least let it live cause you don't know for sure if you will die or not, thats up to God and if you do die, trip to heaven, hopefully.

I don't see what the issue is. Murder is sin, and abortion ius murder no matter how far along it is.

And ok, i cant let this one go. This is a terrible thing to say, a terrible attitude to have, and something i NEVER hope to hear from another human being again. Understand??

Again, to all those who want rape proven in court...in what universe will that happen in the first trimester??

I hate knowing that in this country people who dont think can actually vote!!!

 

[Marissa]

2, 4 and 6. I would neither fight for or against number 8.

As I said one of the other abortion threads floating around I see outlawing abortion as a band aid solution. Until we attack the reasons behind abortions we're wasting our time. Few women choose to use abortions as a method of birth control. They simply see no choice once they're pregnant. Our society doesn't encourage absteinance, we don't teach proper sex ed, and once a woman is preganant we demand she carries it to term and then we desert her. I can't in all conscience agree to outlaw abortion in those circumstances.

 

[Oblivious]

Jonathan David - I'm glad you finally got the poll right

I voted 2, 3, 4. I'm alittle torn on 5 because rape is hard to prove, plus with our "snail-speed" legal system it could very well take beyond 9 months to prove it in a court of law.

 

[Spike~]

If you were raped, god let it happen for a reason.

If you can possibly die, then go ahead and have the baby, at least let it live cause you don't know for sure if you will die or not, thats up to God and if you do die, trip to heaven, hopefully.

I don't see what the issue is. Murder is sin, and abortion ius murder no matter how far along it is.

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[Jonathan David]

Jonathan David - I'm glad you finally got the poll right

I voted 2, 3, 4. I'm alittle torn on 5 because rape is hard to prove, plus with our "snail-speed" legal system it could very well take beyond 9 months to prove it in a court of law.

Thanks... so much for getting work done this afternoon.

As far as the law thing goes, I agree with everyone who is raising questions about requiring that it be proven in a court of law. Apart from time restrictions, there are plenty of questions about under-reporting (most under-reported crime in Canada is sexual assault) for any number of reasons. Some women do not feel comfortable/safe going through the police and legal channels that are required. After a sexual assault (loss of self-determination), the last thing that one needs is to have control taken away again by being told that you HAVE TO report to the police, press charges, etc.

Anyway, glad that you approve Oblivious. I guess that's what they call pre-testing.

Peace.

JD

 

[Mac6yver]

If you were raped, god let it happen for a reason.

If you can possibly die, then go ahead and have the baby, at least let it live cause you don't know for sure if you will die or not, thats up to God and if you do die, trip to heaven, hopefully.

I don't see what the issue is. Murder is sin, and abortion ius murder no matter how far along it is.

Wow, it is amazing you are willing to allow women to die, especially since you are male and will never have to face that threat.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

And ok, i cant let this one go. This is a terrible thing to say, a terrible attitude to have, and something i NEVER hope to hear from another human being again. Understand??

Again, to all those who want rape proven in court...in what universe will that happen in the first trimester??

I hate knowing that in this country people who dont think can actually vote!!!

I agree it is a terrible attitude to have, but you know what? Killing an INNOCENT baby is an even worse attitude.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

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I think rapest desirve the death penelty, so by no means am I supportive of rapist. I am also a male so I don't think I will be getting raped anytime soon. And I will let God judge my next life. Bad things in life happen, like rape, but killing a baby will not justify it by any means.

Yes, it is intelligent and moral of me to say that it's right to never abort baby's.

Trust me, I realize the pains of people being raped, my cousin was almost then I stopped the guy mid process, luckly he was drunk so bad he couldn't fight back well enough to hurt me, cause he was big enough he could have sevrely hurt me. If she would have pressed charges I would of gone all the way to make sure he never sees another female again, one way or another.

Abortion is murder, "though shall not commit murder" What part of that do you not understand?????

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Wow, it is amazing you are willing to allow women to die, especially since you are male and will never have to face that threat.

It would be the same I would tell my future wife if she was raped. She would also agree and let it happen putting her faith in God.

I personally would not be able to live with the guilt of knowing I helped kill her baby when that baby could have grown up to be an awesome worker of God.

Just do Gods will.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

You believe God is the motivator behind a sexual deviant's act of brutal rape?
That's a new one.


Sometimes you do know that you will die.

Did I ever say God causes it to happen??? No, he lets it happen... you know that lil 9/11 thing? Yeah he let that happen too. Someone dieing or someone being raped isn't hardly anything compared to that. Just trying to keep things in prospective here.

It's not a matter what happens to you in life, but a matter of how you respond to it.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

listen people.. I am just stating my point of view... call me cuss words and degrade me all you won't, but as I have said many times, murder is murder, and by no means am I willing to lower myself to help commit murder nor will the lady I marry.

You all tell me I am sick because i feel not aborting a baby is what needs to happen due to any circumstance....

Killing an innocent baby is worse than being raped or dieing yourself. That baby desirves a right to live, and it does have a soul. "for i created you before the foundations of the earth." That baby has a soul before it's physical body was ever formed, so it doesn't matter when you abort it either.
My feelings for you are mutual, but I sure as heck am not gonna act upon them as most of you have towards me. Not to mention that there are another 4 people that agree with, I am just willing to speak up for what I feel is right, despite the crowd.

Peace

 

[praying]

listen people.. I am just stating my point of view... call me cuss words and degrade me all you won't, but as I have said many times, murder is murder, and by no means am I willing to lower myself to help commit murder nor will the lady I marry.

You all tell me I am sick because i feel not aborting a baby is what needs to happen due to any circumstance....

Killing an innocent baby is worse than being raped or dieing yourself. That baby desirves a right to live, and it does have a soul. "for i created you before the foundations of the earth." That baby has a soul before it's physical body was ever formed, so it doesn't matter when you abort it either.
My feelings for you are mutual, but I sure as heck am not gonna act upon them as most of you have towards me. Not to mention that there are another 4 people that agree with, I am just willing to speak up for what I feel is right, despite the crowd.

Peace

Yes you are stating your point of view but there is a way to do that without appearing callous and unfeeling and that is how the "God let it happen" statement came across. Perhaps before you have an outburst stating your point of view you should take a deep breath. I suggest you defintely reread your posts before clicking submit to determine is that what I really want to say and is it the best way to say it.

Angry posts just generate angrier posts.

 

[Ampmonster]

i checked 2-5 obviously. my main objection to abortion is that, mostly, its a byproduct of sexual irresponsiblity.

 

[Mac6yver]

It would be the same I would tell my future wife if she was raped. She would also agree and let it happen putting her faith in God.

I personally would not be able to live with the guilt of knowing I helped kill her baby when that baby could have grown up to be an awesome worker of God.

Just do Gods will.

Isee, so you would dictate to your wife that she must give birth to the child of her rapist. You are a sick individual who would feel much more at home in the early 20th century.

 

[msjones21]

If you can possibly die, then go ahead and have the baby, at least let it live cause you don't know for sure if you will die or not, thats up to God and if you do die, trip to heaven, hopefully.

So then I guess that means cancer patients shouldn't undergo chemotherapy because hey, if you're gonna die then why interfere with God's plan...right?

I voted for options 2-6 based upon my own personal opinions even though I really don't think that the government should have jurisdiction over anyone's health care decisions. I really don't personally approve of abortion after the first trimester; however, only 30% of this country's cities have an abortion provider. If a woman has to save up her money for the procedure and then find time to take off a couple of days and then travel for several hours to the nearest clinic then I could see why the need for abortion could carry over into the second trimester.

 

[La Bonita Zorilla]

i checked 2-5 obviously. my main objection to abortion is that, mostly, its a byproduct of sexual irresponsiblity.

I can agree in part...but that problem could be easily addressed if open, honest sexuality education was mandatory-none of this ridiculous 'abstinence only' foolishness. However, the same groups opposing abortion oppose that vigorously-which seems to beg the question of what their goals are. It seems to some degree the objection is more to the fact people are having sex than to abortion per se.

 

[msjones21]

I agree, La Bonita Zorilla. It seems to be more of an anti-sex campaign than an attempt to save lives.

 

[Kelly]

So then I guess that means cancer patients shouldn't undergo chemotherapy because hey, if you're gonna die then why interfere with God's plan...right?

But chemo doesn't kill someone in the process.

 

[Kelly]

I can agree in part...but that problem could be easily addressed if open, honest sexuality education was mandatory-none of this ridiculous 'abstinence only' foolishness. However, the same groups opposing abortion oppose that vigorously-which seems to beg the question of what their goals are. It seems to some degree the objection is more to the fact people are having sex than to abortion per se.

You gotta teach both in schools (safe sex and abstinence). People like to be given a choice, especially teens. Abstinence is becoming cool again, just look on the football teams, where it's seen as part of the training regimen. I'm sure if they were taught only abstinence, it wouldn't be the same.