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Featured Abortion is wrong

Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by bhayes, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. bhayes

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    One case for abortion is that it is healthcare. But I ask you what part of sexual reproduction: fertilization, implantation, embryonic development and labour; is detrimental to the woman's health? In fact this is normal. If there was anything wrong with fertilization, or implantation, then you should seek healthcare. But to claim that a normal process of is detrimental to woman's health is obviously wrong. The second point some make is that pregnancy is a matter of inconvenience, because they didn't intend to get pregnant but only have sex. Regardless, it is a fact that one cannot get pregnant without having sex, and that sex is a means of procreation. It produces life, and this is how humans propagate. As a result, just because someone doesn't intend to get pregnant doesn't mean that the human life they have created is invalid. Whether you intended to or not, if you were to carry your child to term you would have a human being. Abortion is murder, because no matter where along the line of human development you are it is still murder if you end someones life. Do women have the right to do what they want with their bodies? An embryo is not apart of a woman's body. It relies on a woman's body, but it is a separate entity, that will give rise to a separate human being. So for a woman to abort their child, isn't doing what they want with their bodies but instead impeding on the rights of another.
     
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  2. Heavenhome

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    And the argument that is given so often is that if it is illegal women will be forced to go to "butcher's" like the old days.
    How ridiculous, the amount of birth control available now there is really no excuse.

    Abortion is murder on demand really and whether proponent's of it try to sanitise the word abortion to "termination", it is murder and it is wrong.
    It is to our societies shame that it is ever carried out
     
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  3. Aussie Pete

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    I note that not one proponent of abortion has suffered the procedure themselves.
     
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  4. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Ever wonder why God did not give women an option of choosing when to be fertile and when not to so we would not have this problem ?
     
  5. Stabat Mater

    Stabat Mater Jesus Christ conquers! Supporter

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    Perhaps it's because he like to test us and our moral character? That's the whole purpose of living on earth for a short time. We get to chose either life or death, Christ or not.
    If we choose eternal life and friendship with Christ then it has to manifest itself in our life as a holistic faithfulness towards Christ and his principles.
    I think its brilliant of God to be honest and I stand in awe.
    To test us like this and to give us this unique opportunity to choose fidelity is truely wonderful in my eyes.
     
  6. Jonathan Walkerin

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    That is worth of millions of aborted babies ? Besides being a God presumable He has an ability to see our moral character regardless. Guess you can see brilliance in anything if you look hard enough.
     
  7. Heart2Soul

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    I tend to read scripture as teaching us not to fornicate/have sex outside of marriage. That could possibly end the need for abortion period.
    How many married women are running to the clinic to get an abortion? I am sure it is rare.
    No it is the lust of the flesh that causes humans to fornicate and out of their lust they conceive a child.
    Abortion is on the rise as sexual immorality rises.
     
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  8. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Even in marriage there comes a time more children are not wanted since they can not be financially or emotionally supported.

    Even the birth rates of Catholics are about the same as the median number so clearly practical realities outweight some religious teachings.
     
  9. Stabat Mater

    Stabat Mater Jesus Christ conquers! Supporter

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    Heart2soul has a point besides, you know that what you're basically having trouble with is the problem of evil right?
    Why is there evil? Why do women murder their babies and why does men go to war?
    There are some great literature on the subject if you care to spend some time on it though. If not you could look at some YouTube's on the subject by Dr. William lane Craig where he lectures on the issue of evil in the creation.

    Moral evil is hard to accept, but if God removed it from our world then we'd be mortally impeccable and thus not familiar with the difference between good and evil. To know that difference is the whole punishment (a figure of speech) of going against God in the beginning.
    Please tell me how we're supposed to chose God if he leaves no room for choice? I'm listening carefully..
     
  10. Stabat Mater

    Stabat Mater Jesus Christ conquers! Supporter

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    So what? All it tells us is that there's way to many nominal Catholics in the world.
     
  11. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Pretty sad if that is the only thing that comes to mind.
     
  12. Heart2Soul

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    As I said it is probably rare that married couples choose to abort their child.
     
  13. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Agreed. It is more about contraceptives. Still it would be much less hassle if women could just choose not to conceive.
     
  14. Heart2Soul

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    Well that certainly takes the responsibility off of men doesn't it?:swoon:
     
  15. Stabat Mater

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    Nice, how convenient for us :sorry:
     
  16. grasping the after wind

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    Why do you think they cannot? AFAIK , outside of rape, they have that choice.
     
  17. Heart2Soul

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    Contraceptives are indeed a responsible choice to include in your decision to fornicate. At least it lowers the chance of a woman getting pregnant. Still the best decision is to wait until you are married.
     
  18. Jonathan Walkerin

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    For lots of the world where the population is growing this is not always an option for financial or cultural reasons.

    The premise was that it would have saved quite a lot of suffering and aborting of babies if women could choose not to be fertile naturally without any contraceptives being needed and the question was why wouldn`t the God have made it so ?
     
  19. grasping the after wind

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    Men don't get pregnant and, outside of rapists, they do not force women to become pregnant. The choice lies with the woman whether to risk becoming pregnant or not. AFAIK there has been only one immaculate conception. In saying this I do not resolve men of responsibility for their actions . It is the man's choice to risk becoming a parent by his actions and that man is as responsible as the woman for the creation of the new life. The man, however, outside of a rapist, cannot force a women to allow him entry into her body , cannot insist that the woman have an abortion, cannot refuse to support a child the woman has decided to keep. The man's choices are limited to his participation in sexual congress while the woman has control over a all her choices and all the choices after that. As the one with the most choices, I think it is fair that the woman take the most responsibility for becoming pregnant or refraining from doing so. Unless one were to make the argument that women are somehow less inherently capable of being responsible than men, I cannot see how one could argue that it is not the case that the woman should consider it her responsibility to avoid being pregnant if she does not wish to be.
     
  20. grasping the after wind

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    Men don't get pregnant and, outside of rapists, they do not force women to become pregnant. The choice lies with the woman whether to risk becoming pregnant or not. AFAIK there has been only one immaculate conception. In saying this I do not resolve men of responsibility for their actions . It is the man's choice to risk becoming a parent by his actions and that man is as responsible as the woman for the creation of the new life. The man, however, outside of a rapist, cannot force a women to allow him entry into her body , cannot insist that the woman have an abortion, cannot refuse to support a child the woman has decided to keep. The man's choices are limited to his participation in sexual congress while the woman has control over a all her choices and all the choices after that. As the one with the most choices, I think it is fair that the woman take the most responsibility for becoming pregnant or refraining from doing so. Unless one were to make the argument that women are somehow less inherently capable of being responsible than men, I cannot see how one could argue that it is not the case that the woman should consider it her responsibility to avoid being pregnant if she does not wish to be.
     
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