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yes brt28006...I agree with coastie on this point. It is clearly evident according to your posts, how you view this atrocity...Originally posted by coastie
I'm sad that someone with such an absense of value for human life will someday be an officer. Do you have any kids. Maybe you should, you'd probably understand better what we are talking about.
Originally posted by brt28006
So you are, essentially, saying that the average woman is more capable of performing a potentially life threatening operation than a doctor is?
[ sarcasm ] Hooray for blind idealism!111 [ /sarcasm ]
she said nothing of the such...brt28006 I for one would like you to stop feeding back statements that we are not using...Quote us, thats fine, but tell us something we are saying when we are not, thats not gonna fly here. we are saying what we are saying, the problem is you are hearing what you want to hear, at least thats how it looks to me...Originally posted by brt28006
So you are, essentially, saying that the average woman is more capable of performing a potentially life threatening operation than a doctor is?
Originally posted by brt28006
So you are, essentially, saying that the average woman is more capable of performing a potentially life threatening operation than a doctor is?
Hi brt28006,Originally posted by brt28006
That article in the first post on this thread cited the gory nature of abortions as ethical grounds for them to be banned... well, brain surgery, and pretty much any major surgery, is quite gory as well... does that mean it should be banned?
Sadly, this was a frequent practice (dark alley abortions) from the time before Roe vs. Wade. It's hardly ludicrous, and plenty of material can be found to support my statement of its occurence.
Going back to our hypothetical situation, we have a choice between two separate atrocities.
1) aborting every baby born in America for the next year, and eradicating disease
2) not doing so, and thus allowing disease to continue
If I had to choose one, I'd pick the first, even if I had a wife who was pregnant. Some things are bigger than any one man or woman.
So is the Bible for creation scientists and antedeluvian geologists... but that is for another thread.
Well, maybe so. But who is it who figures pretty much everything else in the entire world to be evil?
Oh yeah, Christian fundamentalists.
Why do you care more about the baby than the mother? How long have YOU been a bigot, by your own reasoning?
Sad but true. In the end even the so-called conservativesOriginally posted by coastie
People hate finger pointing unless it's at Conservatives or Christians. Go figure we are the one's who would be considered evil in this world. A sign of the times.
Originally posted by brt28006
Hardly... I think you misunderstood what I had written, as in fact I believe quite the opposite. I think eliminating legal abortion would save fewer lives than if we let it continue legally.
After all, we still have dark alley self-abortions and foreign abortion clinics to consider. Nobody in America lives more than a few days drive or ferry from either Canada, the Bahamas, Jamaica, or Mexico...
If we go back to my first post about the hypothetical situation, you will see that the fetuses were needed for their stem cells and tissue.
Again, all hypothetical and in all likelihood nothing like this would ever happen.
That is just fine, ma'am, as no creation scientist is a respected scientist.
I should like to examine those malpractice claims. Once having determined which of them are completely frivolous, I could then comment on the issue.
Besides, why on earth would the fact that abortion is legal have anything to do with this? If anything, malpractice would increase if abortion became illegal... but reports of malpractice would drop, as the mother would be liable for the criminal charge of, perhaps, murder of an unborn child.
I have read over and over on these forums people saying such things as "if it is not of God it is of the Devil"... I take that to mean everything not Christian oriented is of the Devil.
Problems with this? Take it up with the other forum members.
When does moral conviction become bigotry? I don't think we'll ever be able to determine that... the Ku Klux Klan is pretty much universally considered to be a bigoted group... but they believe it is their moral conviction to Christianity and the "White Race" to hold people of other races and religions down.
Here's a question.
How would you go about making abortion illegal?
What punishments would there be?
etc.?
You'd be a bit suprised to know what I find gory, because it isn't much.
I don't dare post examples on this forum, but sites like Rotten Dotcom and the StileProject don't even come close.
As for the decision being my hypothetical wife's, all I can say is thank you for affirming the pro-choice view of abortion being the woman's inherent decision.
Originally posted by brt28006
Wow, how fine of you to talk about bigotry, seeing as how you PM'd me to reprimand my posting in a Christian-only forum.
Or, the Druid grove that I'm a part of certainly feels the sharp point of bigotry, especially from Christians who have no idea whatsoever as to our beliefs. They just write us off as Satanic and protest everything we do. That is irrelevant to this argument though, and was really more of a vent.
Going back to our hypothetical situation, we have a choice between two separate atrocities.
1) aborting every baby born in America for the next year, and eradicating disease
2) not doing so, and thus allowing disease to continue
If I had to choose one, I'd pick the first, even if I had a wife who was pregnant. Some things are bigger than any one man or woman.
And what if cotton candy fell out of the sky?
Neither one is going to happen, so your question is merely hysteria meant to subvert the thread.
Well, maybe so. But who is it who figures pretty much everything else in the entire world to be evil?
Oh yeah, Christian fundamentalists.
You're bigotry is showing again!
We owe it to those children to develope medical treatments for the ones who would be aborted because of some illness.
We owe it to those children to provide something better than the horrid adoption system we have in this country for those who will be put up for adoption (allowing legal gay adoption is a good start.)
You're misinformed. Fewer than 1% of babies aborted each year have some defect. 99% are elective abortions for the purpose of birth control.
We owe it to those children to help mothers plan parenthood better, so they don't feel pressured into getting an abortion out of fear they won't be good moms.
We owe it to those children to teach young children about sex in a better fashion than the second-rate sex-ed courses schools have nowadays.
We owe a lot to those children, but most importantly, I believe we owe them a decent chance at having a decent life.
Sometimes, that is impossible.
Abuse and abortion have no correlation. Abuse reports have gone up 800% since Roe-v-Wade. If abortion prevented child abuse, how could this be true?
You are spouting old rhetoric that someone else told you. You are not thinking for yourself.
Originally posted by solo66 man
In all the wars the USA has been in, deaths counted on both sides has amounted to 2.3 million soldiers killed.
Just since 1973 until the beginning of 2001 43 million abortions have been performed.
Here some cut and paste info.
According to Planned parenthood:
Half of all pregnancies in the U.S. each year are
unintended, and about half of these are terminated by
medically safe, legal abortions (Henshaw, 1998a). In 1996,
1.37 million abortions took place, down from an estimated
1.61 million in 1990. From 1973 through 1996, more than
34 million legal abortions occurred (Henshaw, 1998b).
Any babies getting killed lately? And we are worrying about offending someone? What about the rights of the unborn? Do you not think it a little offensive to be killing them?
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