Abortion Discussion

[tiglathpileser]

If she is a Christian it would be the God of the Bible, the one true God. Last time I checked He is in the business of forgiving sins.

Yes, when they confess their sin. Unconfessed sin is not forgiven.

 

[tiglathpileser]

But in the current discussion we aren't talking about the mainstream media. We are talking about anti-cancer organizations such as the American Cancer Society and the Susan Koman Race for the Cure.

<staff edit> I used the MSM as an example of how news(evidence) is doctored to suit the audience, So I have no problem with the illustration.

 

[Archivist]

Yes, when they confess their sin. Unconfessed sin is not forgiven.

True. I didn't say that if was. I said it was between her and God, and He is in the business of forgiving sin. Nothing incorrect about either statement.

 

[SteveB28]

Take a look at the following statistics:

Reported Annual Abortions - 1973-2012

YEAR GI CDC
1973 744,610 615,831
1974 898,570 763,476
1975 1,034,170 854,853
1976 1,179,300 988,267
1977 1,316,700 1,079,430
1978 1,409,600 1,157,776
1979 1,497,670 1,251,921
1980 1,553,890 1,297,606
1981 1,577,340 1,300,760
1982 1,573,920 1,303,980
1983 1,575,000 1,268,987

As you can see the number of abortions doubled in a few years following the legalization of abortion.

Ref.: http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/u-s-abortion-statistics-by-year-1973-current-1042

Yes, I note that your numbers stop at the early 80's. Quite a lot of water has passed under that particular bridge. I wonder why you don't mention the last 30 years of trend?

 

[gerbilwoman]

I believe abortion is only acceptable if a woman is raped.

 

[Archivist]

I believe abortion is only acceptable if a woman is raped.

What if her life is at risk?

 

[gerbilwoman]

What if her life is at risk?

I guess I support abortion in that case too.

 

[Archivist]

I guess I support abortion in that case too.

I can accept that. I know many people who believe that abortion should only be allowed in cases of rape or incest or to protect the life of the mother.

I think we can agree that the best thing that we all can do is to work together to reduce the number of abortions.

 

[SteveB28]

I guess I support abortion in that case too.

And what if a mentally challenged girl is taken advantage of?

And what about incest?

And what about the ignorant 13 year old who thinks she is 'in love' with her 16 year old boyfriend who runs once she is pregnant?

Give me a few minutes and I'm sure I could think of many more.

 

[gerbilwoman]

And what if a mentally challenged girl is taken advantage of?

And what about incest?

And what about the ignorant 13 year old who thinks she is 'in love' with her 16 year old boyfriend who runs once she is pregnant?

Give me a few minutes and I'm sure I could think of many more.

I think if a mentally challenged girl is taken advantage of it would technically be rape.

Incest, hmm, not sure how I feel.

If the 13 year old wasn't raped I think she should have the baby but be allowed to put it up for adoption.

 

[Armoured]

If the 13 year old wasn't raped

You think a 13 year old can give consent?

I think she should have the baby but be allowed to put it up for adoption.

Big of you. One sincerely hopes you never find yourself in a similar situation.

 

[Armoured]

I believe abortion is only acceptable if a woman is raped.

How does being raped affect the legitimacy of the foetus' peronhood?

Either a foetus is a person, and abortion is wrong, or it's not. The means by which the foetus is conceived doesn't alter that.

IMHO, anyone who says things like "abortion should only be allowed in cases of rape" tips their hand and clearly shows they aren't motivated from concern for the unborn, but rather from a desire to make pregnancy a punishment for "loose" women.

 

[gerbilwoman]

You think a 13 year old can give consent?

If they choose to do it with someone of a similar age then yes. But not if some older person takes advantage of them.

 

[gerbilwoman]

How does being raped affect the legitimacy of the foetus' peronhood?

Either a foetus is a person, and abortion is wrong, or it's not. The means by which the foetus is conceived doesn't alter that.

IMHO, anyone who says things like "abortion should only be allowed in cases of rape" tips their hand and clearly shows they aren't motivated from concern for the unborn, but rather from a desire to make pregnancy a punishment for "loose" women.

Rape is a very traumatic experience. I feel everything should be done to help rape survivors heal from trauma. There is an exception to almost every rule, or belief in this case, and I believe this is one of them.

 

[Armoured]

Rape is a very traumatic experience. I feel everything should be done to help rape survivors heal from trauma. There is an exception to almost every rule, or belief in this case, and I believe this is one of them.

You didn't answer my question. If a foetus is a person, how does their conception by rape make it OK to kill them? They're not at fault for it, are they?

 

[Archivist]

Rape is a very traumatic experience. I feel everything should be done to help rape survivors heal from trauma. There is an exception to almost every rule, or belief in this case, and I believe this is one of them.

Plus the Constitution prohibits involuntary servitude. Forcing a woman who has been a victim of rape to carry the fetus resulting from that rape to term against her will certainly qualifies as involuntary servitude.

 

[Armoured]

Plus the Constitution prohibits involuntary servitude. Forcing a woman who has been a victim of rape to carry the fetus resulting from that rape to term against her will certainly qualifies as involuntary servitude.

Why is that limited to cases of rape, though?

 

[Archivist]

You didn't answer my question. If a foetus is a person, how does their conception by rape make it OK to kill them? They're not at fault for it, are they?

Involuntary servitude. Or don't you believe the Constitution protects women who have been raped.

 

[Archivist]

Why is that limited to cases of rape, though?

Because she had no say in the creation of the fetus.

 

[Armoured]

Involuntary servitude. Or don't you believe the Constitution protects women who have been raped.

Kinda missing my point there, but if you wish to pursue this line, why is it only cases of rape that imply someone is carrying a pregnancy against their will?