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In what way was the woman who was the victim of a rapist "irresponsible?"And it's mature to think you should be able to kill someone because they inconvenience you by existing? To blame the rapist's other victim and kill them? To think you can be as irresponsible as you want with no real consequences because you can just have an abortion later? That all sounds very childish to me...
I didn't take them!Where are all my previous posts?
It is if you're going to claim it is murder - that is, the illegal types of killing. This is pretty typical behavior, though - make a crazy claim and then run away when asked to back it up. I wish I were more surprised than I am, but I've come to see it as normal. It is one of the many reasons that I find myself supporting the pro-choice side. At least they don't have to make stuff up to make their case.
Jeremiah 10:23
“O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.”
King James Version (KJV)
Well, you are saying that the fetus has no choice...It seems you're advocating that.Who is "advocating" an abortion? I am simply saying that the choice remain with the rape victim. That isn't "advocating" anything.
It's hard to believe that there are Christians living who would go back to the pre-Christian way of living...You mean in latin they can't distinguish between the two? That's crazy! An easy solution to the debate I suppose, which you are trying to suggest.
Please notice I actually said "like a parasite." I agree with you that it is not a parasite because if it were an actual parasite it would be a living being, which it is not. (Although you think it is - another way the "pro-life" position is demonstrated to be wrong.)
It is VERY PARASITIC in that it attains all it sustaining substance from its host, the pregnant woman to which it is necessarily physically attached.
And another, to which I have linked previously finds that over 95% of women who have procured abortions do NOT regret their decision!
How strange that we never hear you people quoting those numbers!
There are laws that a Doctor has to provide treatment and medical care to a patient, and there are laws that a mother or caretaker has to provide care and assistance to her young. It would fall in this category.
I was criticised in another discussion for pointing out the lies that one contributor was promoting. Yet, consider.......
We are told by these people that "most" or "many" women are traumatised by their decision to abort.
This is a lie. More than 95% of women procuring abortions report satisfaction with their decision.
We are presented with images of 'typical' abortions involving fully formed foetuses being removed from the womb.
This is a lie. The vast, vast majority are performed in the very early stages of embryonic development. But they don't make as good pictures, do they?
We are told how dangerous abortions are; that they are far more dangerous than the risks of childbirth.
This is a lie. Performed by professionals, abortions are extremely safe. More women die each year from birth complications than from botched abortions. 14 times as many.
We are told that most people want abortions stopped.
This is a lie. Worldwide, there is a majority acceptance of the procedure as a legitimate alternate form of birth control.
Desperate, dishonest people who must resort to lies to promote their selfish desires.
Hi Steve, your study appears to be flawed!
Go here to see the review that belies the conclusions drawn by the study you've referred us to.
You will also discover that your study's "claim of declining regret and declining negative reactions to abortion is also at odds with Brenda Major’s two year longitudinal study .. that found that there was a trend of decline in relief and increase in negative emotions over the two year period." See Major B, et al. Psychological responses of women after first-trimester abortion. Archives of General Psychiatry. 2000: 57(8), 777-84.
I will agree with you about this though, we are a desperate lot, desperate to see an end to the genocide that has taken 58,000,000+ lives to date in the United States alone.
It's interesting to note that you characterize Pro-Lifers as having "selfish" desires. I'm not sure what "selfish desires" you could possibly be referring to in this case, but it seems to me that someone who chooses to take the life of their own child for the sake of convenience is the very definition of "selfish".
Yours and His,
David
But the pregnant woman can make a choice, the fetus cannot. Further the fetus is occupying her body. If the fetus is a result of a rape, as I have been discussing, that occupation is without the pregnant woman's permission and perhaps against her will.Well, you are saying that the fetus has no choice...It seems you're advocating that.
Please address my post first. Why should a rape victim be forced into nine months of involuntary servitude to carry a fetus that was produced against her will to term? Why should she be forced to deal with all the complications of pregnancy up to and including possible death to deliver the product of a violent act? Do you support slavery in all cases or just in cases involving rape victims?
The lies are in your post. You cannot prove that 95% of women procuring abortions report satisfaction with their decision. I doubt that even 10% of women who procure abortions even report. But we do know of many cases where an abortion went bad, and women had to be rushed to the hospital, that women have died from having abortions, and that years later, women have regretted having an abortion.I was criticised in another discussion for pointing out the lies that one contributor was promoting. Yet, consider.......
We are told by these people that "most" or "many" women are traumatised by their decision to abort.
This is a lie. More than 95% of women procuring abortions report satisfaction with their decision.
We are presented with images of 'typical' abortions involving fully formed foetuses being removed from the womb.
This is a lie. The vast, vast majority are performed in the very early stages of embryonic development. But they don't make as good pictures, do they?
We are told how dangerous abortions are; that they are far more dangerous than the risks of childbirth.
This is a lie. Performed by professionals, abortions are extremely safe. More women die each year from birth complications than from botched abortions. 14 times as many.
We are told that most people want abortions stopped.
This is a lie. Worldwide, there is a majority acceptance of the procedure as a legitimate alternate form of birth control.
Desperate, dishonest people who must resort to lies to promote their selfish desires.
You want me to take seriously a publication which screams loudly at the top of the page...
"Caught on tape - Planned Parenthood trafficking in body parts!"
I think I'll pass on that one!
How very interesting. This, from YOUR source.......(my underline)
- Major has published a number of studies on abortion with an emphasis on attributing negative psychological effects of abortion with lack of social support and stigma caused by anti-abortion protests. In violation of APA ethics rules on data sharing, however, she has refused to allow other researchers to examine her data despite accusations that she has misrepresented and selectively reported her findings.[4]
Because, if you were the slightest part honest, you would acknowledge that your primary interest is not the care of women. It is entirely about driving your religiously inspired agenda.
But we've seen the examples of the honesty, haven't we?
So, because a being has the lacks an ability, they should be denied their rights? That speaks loudly to those who were brought to the US as slaves, doesn't it? They didn't have the ability to fight for their freedom, so they should have been kept as slaves until now, right?But the pregnant woman can make a choice, the fetus cannot. Further the fetus is occupying her body. If the fetus is a result of a rape, as I have been discussing, that occupation is without the pregnant woman's permission and perhaps against her will.
I feel that the sources here may be one sided and that's not good for an argument really from what I have learned at least when presenting a case.
They come from sources that I would not use in an argument. Unless I was writing a paper on a topic and I nedded both sides.Yes attack the source of reporting.
The studies are well footnoted for reference.
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