Hello everyone,
May God's peace be with you all. Yes, I know this topic has been discussed many times. But I feel that there is still more to be said and seen. There has been different arguments that I have heard throughout this forum on why people feel abortion is ok, or whatever else they are arguing regarding abortion. I will address all (arguments) that I can think of. I will label each one before I discuss it.
I think abortion is wrong (or should be a last resort), but I still feel the mother should have the right to choose?
This is not a reasonable argument. If you think something is wrong, then you do not think it should be done. Saying you are pro-choice means that you are ok with either choice. You would not say that you are pro-choice for murder or child molestation. Right? Yes, of course God gave us free will, but some things need to be restricted, because they are obviously wrong (stealing, murder, rape, sexual harrassment, etc.). And when a country decides what is illegal, that tells someone about the morality of that country. We (U.S.) say that murder is illegal. So one can deduce that we believe as a country that murder is immoral. And so, we need to do the same for abortion. As for the "last resort", such as, if the mother's life is at stake. I believe the right thing to do is to have the doctor do all that he can to save both lives. But as someone has pointed out before, if abortion is being considered, then everything already has been done or considered to save both lives. So, if this is the case, and I was the mother, I would not be selfish enough to only save my life, by killing my child. I would never do anything to intentionally hurt my child, in order to save myself. I would die first. So, I would pray to God for the child's safety, and if he dies, then I would pray that God take his soul into his loving embrace.
A fetus is not a human. (Or, at least until a certain stage).
Again, not a reasonable argument. As for the opinion that is strictly "A fetus is not a human ever. It must be born to be considered a human." Does this mean that a baby must be brought to full term and then born in order to be a human in your eyes? What about pre-mes? Let's say a mother has her child to full term (nine months) and then it is born. You consider it a human, right? What if in that same case, the baby is born 1 month earlier instead? It hasn't been brought to full term though. So is he a human or not? But if he was born after nine months (full term), then looking back a month before, you would not consider the 8 month old baby in his mother's womb to be a human. Right? For those that consider a child is only a human at a certain stage in the womb: Then, at what stage? And how do you justify your decision? Again, I would ask you about the same scenario.
A fetus must have all the qualities of a human to be a human.
Again, unreasonable. What are "all the qualities" of a human? Are both lungs a part of this list? If so, what about the people who are born with only one lung? Are they human? How about full brain development? Then what about the children who are born mentally handicapped? Are they a different species? Many people are born without something that's "normal" to a human body. But these people are just as much human as you and me.
A fetus is a part of the mother's body. The baby must be able to live on it's own, without the mother's bodily support to be a human.
Unreasonable. First, what about after a child is born? He would still need the support of his mother (or caretaker) to feed him, clothe him, etc. Right? With that said, how about this scenario: There are 18 year old siamese twins. We'll call them Bob and Joe. Doctors say that Bob mostly relys on Joe to live. Bob's body is much weaker and receives most of it's nutrients, etc. from his brother's. Doctors say that both can live together very well until they both die naturally. Or if they separate them, then Bob (the weaker one) will die very quickly, but Joe (the stronger one) will live a better life (not necessarily a longer life). So, does Joe have the right to kill, or I guess I should say, separate Bob from himself? I mean, Bob is only a part of Joe's body, right?. Doctors say that Joe will have a much better life if he does. I hope none of you would say that Joe does have the right to choose. Bob is more "a part" of Joe's body, than an unborn baby is to his mom. And Bob is just as much a human as the unborn baby (at any stage).
The fetus is not alive. It is not a living thing.
So how is it that this "thing" that is "not alive" is growing in it's mother's womb? How is it that it's heart begins to beat around 22 days after conception? I'm done discussing this argument.
Christians: Bring God into the picture. Abortion is always unchristian.
For people who claim to be Christian: Do you really believe that God agrees with abortion? Honestly, if someone came up to Jesus and told Him: "My brother raped me and I'm pregnant. What should I do?" Do you really think that Jesus would tell her: "Well, just go abort it." No. Absolutely not. I feel that He would tell her: "My child, I am sorry for what you have gone through. But do not take your stress or discomfort out on this precious gift of life. I am so glad that you have come to me for this. That is what I and my Father desire. You may not have wanted this, but you have a responsibility now. My Father has given you a soul to take care of. You may see your child as 50% yours and 50% your brother's, but he is 100% my Father's. Keep that in mind. And pray." That is something that we should always think of; WWJD. Since we claim to be Christian, we need to consider when a soul becomes united with the body. Which is at the exact moment of conception. For God said,
4 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 5 Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and made thee a prophet unto the nations. (Jer 1: 4-5)
From this statement, we can deduct that we (our souls) were in our mother's womb within our body. That God Himself formed us in our mother's womb. Why would God create something that he would want destroyed? God can only create good, not evil. And so, when we kill an unborn child, we are killing something that is from God and is good. Yes, perhaps the child was not conceived out of love, perhaps out of evil, but God supersedes the circumstance of the conception and makes the creation good; for it is His.
FOR EVERYONE:
I would encourage everyone to go onto the National Right to Life website: http://www.nrlc.org/. I ask to at least take 15 minutes out of your time in the day and search around on this website.
From the website:
Information on development of the baby in the womb (ex. heart beats around
22 days after conception) http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/fetusdevelopment.html
Info and accurate pictures of a D&E abortion, a method usually performed
during the second trimester. http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/DEabortiongraphic.html
Info and accurate pictures of a partial-birth abortion, a method usually
performed during the fifth and sixth months (and sometimes later). http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/PBA_Images_Heathers_Place.htm
There is much info about the intense pain that babies go through in an abortion. Here is such a quote: "The highest density of pain receptors per square inch of skin in human development occurs in utero from 20 to 30 weeks gestation. During the period, the epidermis is still very thin, leaving nerve fibers closer to the surface of the skin than in older neonates and adults...Thus, a fetus at 20 to 32 weeks of gestation would experience a much more intense pain than older infants or children or adults, when age groups are subjected to similar types of injury or handling. (Here is the page at which I got this information. As I said, it is on the NRTL website. Bold added for emphasis) http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/Fetal_Pain/index.html (click on the 5th report down, it's title starts: "Report of Dr. Kanwaljeet S. Anand, expert on fetal pain,...--January 15, 2004")
NOTE: For Everyone
Since the elections are coming up, I would encourage people to seriously consider what their beliefs are on abortion. For, Bush is against abortion and Kerry is for it. Over 40 million have been killed from abortion since Roe vs Wade. About 1.3 million a year. Every 20 seconds another innocent child becomes a part of this holocaust. We can help put a stop to this, or at least a significant decrease, by voting Bush.
I really do not want anyone to respond to this post until they have read it and have looked thouroughly on the National Right to Life website. But I know that I can't make people do what I would like them to do. So I can only humbly ask you. Will you please do what I have suggested before replying to this post? Thank you. And God bless.
-Tommy
May God's peace be with you all. Yes, I know this topic has been discussed many times. But I feel that there is still more to be said and seen. There has been different arguments that I have heard throughout this forum on why people feel abortion is ok, or whatever else they are arguing regarding abortion. I will address all (arguments) that I can think of. I will label each one before I discuss it.
I think abortion is wrong (or should be a last resort), but I still feel the mother should have the right to choose?
This is not a reasonable argument. If you think something is wrong, then you do not think it should be done. Saying you are pro-choice means that you are ok with either choice. You would not say that you are pro-choice for murder or child molestation. Right? Yes, of course God gave us free will, but some things need to be restricted, because they are obviously wrong (stealing, murder, rape, sexual harrassment, etc.). And when a country decides what is illegal, that tells someone about the morality of that country. We (U.S.) say that murder is illegal. So one can deduce that we believe as a country that murder is immoral. And so, we need to do the same for abortion. As for the "last resort", such as, if the mother's life is at stake. I believe the right thing to do is to have the doctor do all that he can to save both lives. But as someone has pointed out before, if abortion is being considered, then everything already has been done or considered to save both lives. So, if this is the case, and I was the mother, I would not be selfish enough to only save my life, by killing my child. I would never do anything to intentionally hurt my child, in order to save myself. I would die first. So, I would pray to God for the child's safety, and if he dies, then I would pray that God take his soul into his loving embrace.
A fetus is not a human. (Or, at least until a certain stage).
Again, not a reasonable argument. As for the opinion that is strictly "A fetus is not a human ever. It must be born to be considered a human." Does this mean that a baby must be brought to full term and then born in order to be a human in your eyes? What about pre-mes? Let's say a mother has her child to full term (nine months) and then it is born. You consider it a human, right? What if in that same case, the baby is born 1 month earlier instead? It hasn't been brought to full term though. So is he a human or not? But if he was born after nine months (full term), then looking back a month before, you would not consider the 8 month old baby in his mother's womb to be a human. Right? For those that consider a child is only a human at a certain stage in the womb: Then, at what stage? And how do you justify your decision? Again, I would ask you about the same scenario.
A fetus must have all the qualities of a human to be a human.
Again, unreasonable. What are "all the qualities" of a human? Are both lungs a part of this list? If so, what about the people who are born with only one lung? Are they human? How about full brain development? Then what about the children who are born mentally handicapped? Are they a different species? Many people are born without something that's "normal" to a human body. But these people are just as much human as you and me.
A fetus is a part of the mother's body. The baby must be able to live on it's own, without the mother's bodily support to be a human.
Unreasonable. First, what about after a child is born? He would still need the support of his mother (or caretaker) to feed him, clothe him, etc. Right? With that said, how about this scenario: There are 18 year old siamese twins. We'll call them Bob and Joe. Doctors say that Bob mostly relys on Joe to live. Bob's body is much weaker and receives most of it's nutrients, etc. from his brother's. Doctors say that both can live together very well until they both die naturally. Or if they separate them, then Bob (the weaker one) will die very quickly, but Joe (the stronger one) will live a better life (not necessarily a longer life). So, does Joe have the right to kill, or I guess I should say, separate Bob from himself? I mean, Bob is only a part of Joe's body, right?. Doctors say that Joe will have a much better life if he does. I hope none of you would say that Joe does have the right to choose. Bob is more "a part" of Joe's body, than an unborn baby is to his mom. And Bob is just as much a human as the unborn baby (at any stage).
The fetus is not alive. It is not a living thing.
So how is it that this "thing" that is "not alive" is growing in it's mother's womb? How is it that it's heart begins to beat around 22 days after conception? I'm done discussing this argument.
Christians: Bring God into the picture. Abortion is always unchristian.
For people who claim to be Christian: Do you really believe that God agrees with abortion? Honestly, if someone came up to Jesus and told Him: "My brother raped me and I'm pregnant. What should I do?" Do you really think that Jesus would tell her: "Well, just go abort it." No. Absolutely not. I feel that He would tell her: "My child, I am sorry for what you have gone through. But do not take your stress or discomfort out on this precious gift of life. I am so glad that you have come to me for this. That is what I and my Father desire. You may not have wanted this, but you have a responsibility now. My Father has given you a soul to take care of. You may see your child as 50% yours and 50% your brother's, but he is 100% my Father's. Keep that in mind. And pray." That is something that we should always think of; WWJD. Since we claim to be Christian, we need to consider when a soul becomes united with the body. Which is at the exact moment of conception. For God said,
4 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 5 Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and made thee a prophet unto the nations. (Jer 1: 4-5)
From this statement, we can deduct that we (our souls) were in our mother's womb within our body. That God Himself formed us in our mother's womb. Why would God create something that he would want destroyed? God can only create good, not evil. And so, when we kill an unborn child, we are killing something that is from God and is good. Yes, perhaps the child was not conceived out of love, perhaps out of evil, but God supersedes the circumstance of the conception and makes the creation good; for it is His.
FOR EVERYONE:
I would encourage everyone to go onto the National Right to Life website: http://www.nrlc.org/. I ask to at least take 15 minutes out of your time in the day and search around on this website.
From the website:
Information on development of the baby in the womb (ex. heart beats around
22 days after conception) http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/fetusdevelopment.html
Info and accurate pictures of a D&E abortion, a method usually performed
during the second trimester. http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/DEabortiongraphic.html
Info and accurate pictures of a partial-birth abortion, a method usually
performed during the fifth and sixth months (and sometimes later). http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/PBA_Images_Heathers_Place.htm
There is much info about the intense pain that babies go through in an abortion. Here is such a quote: "The highest density of pain receptors per square inch of skin in human development occurs in utero from 20 to 30 weeks gestation. During the period, the epidermis is still very thin, leaving nerve fibers closer to the surface of the skin than in older neonates and adults...Thus, a fetus at 20 to 32 weeks of gestation would experience a much more intense pain than older infants or children or adults, when age groups are subjected to similar types of injury or handling. (Here is the page at which I got this information. As I said, it is on the NRTL website. Bold added for emphasis) http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/Fetal_Pain/index.html (click on the 5th report down, it's title starts: "Report of Dr. Kanwaljeet S. Anand, expert on fetal pain,...--January 15, 2004")
NOTE: For Everyone
Since the elections are coming up, I would encourage people to seriously consider what their beliefs are on abortion. For, Bush is against abortion and Kerry is for it. Over 40 million have been killed from abortion since Roe vs Wade. About 1.3 million a year. Every 20 seconds another innocent child becomes a part of this holocaust. We can help put a stop to this, or at least a significant decrease, by voting Bush.
I really do not want anyone to respond to this post until they have read it and have looked thouroughly on the National Right to Life website. But I know that I can't make people do what I would like them to do. So I can only humbly ask you. Will you please do what I have suggested before replying to this post? Thank you. And God bless.
-Tommy
