A wifes submission to her husband includes obedience

[joshua 1 9]

women submitting to men

Women do not submit to men they are to submit to Christ and the Husband to the degree that He is submitted to Christ. The husband is to sacrifice himself for the wife in the same way that Jesus sacrificed himself for the Bride or the Church. The word they use is similitude. We are to be made in the likeness of God and in the same way women are made in the likeness of man. Man is not made in the likeness of women. 1cor11:8 "For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;"

Men and women are equal but they have different gifts and different callings.

A Woman’s Perspective on the Priesthood - ensign

 

[revanneosl]

I'm ok with it
after all he's smarter than me by about 3 IQ points, he's older by about a yr (so more experience), and he can make decisions whereas am horrible about making decisions and constantly change my mind

so I think will follow husband
most important, he's a Christian

Yeah, I can see that. On the other hand, in my marriage I'm smarter by about 5 IQ points, 6 years older, and he's a non-believer. So I don't believe I'll be "submitting" any time soon thank you very much. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Zoii]

I say this topic is an excellent reason for women to not enter a christian marriage

 

[Not David]

Yeah, I can see that. On the other hand, in my marriage I'm smarter by about 5 IQ points, 6 years older, and he's a non-believer. So I don't believe I'll be "submitting" any time soon thank you very much. Different strokes for different folks.

Sincerely, I don't believe that those verses apply to a non-Christian man.

 

[RDKirk]

It's interesting how some of the most vocal opponents of feminism are feminists. If one believes that women deserve the voting franchise, that person is a feminist by definition.

That was "First Wave," by the definition of the Second Wave feminists, who defined their own drive for economic equality as "Second Wave."

 

[RDKirk]

That wifely submission business is, in fact, true.

However,

A. Everyone is supposed to be in submission to someone, and the husband who does not in turn submit to some other person is a Pharisaical hypocrite who will be cursed by Jesus as He cursed the Pharisees and scribes. "Woe be unto you!" Jesus commanded.

B. Every steward will be held accountable. The man who has an obedient wife will be held accountable by Jesus for her total well-being. The steward cannot blame his stewardship. That man had better return to Jesus a better woman that Jesus gave him. "Cut him into pieces and cast him into the outer darkness," Jesus commanded.

So the man who demands wifely obedience had better prepare himself for harsh accountability. It might be better not to make that demand.

 

[thecolorsblend]

That was "First Wave," by the definition of the Second Wave feminists, who defined their own drive for economic equality as "Second Wave."

The fact remains that suffrage is the bedrock of feminism. If you believe in women's suffrage, you are a feminist. From there, it's just a matter of degree.

 

[mama2one]

Yeah, I can see that. On the other hand, in my marriage I'm smarter by about 5 IQ points, 6 years older, and he's a non-believer. So I don't believe I'll be "submitting" any time soon thank you very much. Different strokes for different folks.

sorry that you're married to a non-believer; that must be very difficult for you

 

[revanneosl]

sorry that you're married to a non-believer; that must be very difficult for you

We've been married going on 30 years now. We're pretty good at it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I say this topic is an excellent reason for women to not enter a christian marriage

The question is: What is a Christian marriage? Where is there an example in the Bible? Was Adam and Eve or Joseph and Mary examples of a christian marriage? What about all of the generations between those two marriages? Was David a good example of a Christian Husband? How about Solomon and his 700 wives? Even though Solomon wrote a lot about marriage and even he talks about the virtuous women: "Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies." proverbs 31:10

 

[RDKirk]

The question is: What is a Christian marriage? Where is there an example in the Bible? Was Adam and Eve or Joseph and Mary examples of a christian marriage? What about all of the generations between those two marriages? Was David a good example of a Christian Husband? How about Solomon and his 700 wives? Even though Solomon wrote a lot about marriage and even he talks about the virtuous women: "Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies." proverbs 31:10

The specific example given by scripture:

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her -- Ephesians 5

 

[Micah888]

Since women are the intellectual and spiritual equals of men and since the bible emerged out of an intensely patriarchal culture, I have no problem at all in ignoring the mistaken patriarchy of some Biblical writers.

What you seem to have forgotten entirely is that the "patriarchy" of some biblical writers was not theirs. They wrote by DIVINE INSPIRATION, which means that God gave them the very words to write down (including the jots and tittles). That is the only way a Bible-believing Christian can view Genesis to Revelation. God used fallible men to write exactly and precisely what He wanted written, since ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God (2 Tim 3:16,17). Scripture is theopneustos (God-breathed).

As to the obedience of wives, Scripture plainly teaches it:

1 PETER 3
1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

How would Peter have know that Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him "lord", unless God the Holy Spirit had revealed it? There is no such record in Genesis.

 

[RDKirk]

The fact remains that suffrage is the bedrock of feminism. If you believe in women's suffrage, you are a feminist. From there, it's just a matter of degree.

That's like saying Martin Luther King was the same as H. Rap Brown...they both believed in voting rights for blacks.

"Matter of degree" counts.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The specific example given by scripture:

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her -- Ephesians 5

Yes clearly Jesus is the example of a Husband, who is the example of the Bride? I have heard the word Similitude used. Because Adam did not come from Eve, Eve came from Adam.

 

[RDKirk]

Yes clearly Jesus is the example of a Husband, who is the example of the Bride? I have heard the word Similitude used. Because Adam did not come from Eve, Eve came from Adam.

The bible is telling us men: You die first for your wife. Don't worry about what she'll do, you just die first.

Actually, I had this particular conversation with the Holy Spirit:

"Love your wife." (By which I knew He meant all that mushy stuff I knew she desired that I'd long resisted.)
"What if I love her and she doesn't respond?"
"What she does is My business. Will you obey Me?"

As it happened, at that exact moment in another part of the house, the Holy Spirit was having the same conversation with my wife, as He told her, "Submit to your husband."

 

[Cuddles333]

'...as unto the weaker vessel'. (1Pet.3:7)

The Koine Greek word here [translated into English] is Asthenes. It meant 'destitute of power, unable to achieve. ' It was very rare for a woman to hold power or achieve what a man could back in that part of the world in the first century.

The main problem the Apostle Paul was dealing with was the pagan teaching that was being brought into the churches via the new women converts who were former priestesses in those religions. The Greeks recognized the goddess known as Artemis which the Romans recognized as Diana. She was known as the Mother Goddess who represented all of nature She created new beings continually. All other deities were sons daughters of hers. She was often associated with the male consort representing the subordinate god of vegetation.

There are a number of other New Testament subjects that are also not compatible with the 21st century.

 

[redblue22]

God doesn't put very much on me, so I'll demonstrate that by not putting much on her. I really don't care to be a leader or commander or whatever. (that is if we were living those roles of course)

 

[Shempster]

Yes, our wives should be obedient. That is, loving their husbands enough to do what they wish. Even though the husbands are often self-righteous, controlling, manipulating and sometimes rude, a godly wife will grant him his wishes. She will lovingly overlook the fact that he is acting like a jerk-bag and will let his own folly uncover his wrong thinking.

If both the husbands and the wives love like they are supposed to, each one has the same attitude towards the other and harmony follows.
This might sound really strange, but believe me, its true: other than physical size and strength, a female is superior to men in every way.
Not every single individual, but I'm talking about generalities.
Women are generally more like God than men. Most of them have more compassion, love, nurturing and empathy than men.
The attributes of God.

 

[redblue22]

Yes, our wives should be obedient. That is, loving their husbands enough to do what they wish. Even though the husbands are often self-righteous, controlling, manipulating and sometimes rude, a godly wife will grant him his wishes. She will lovingly overlook the fact that he is acting like a jerk-bag and will let his own folly uncover his wrong thinking.

If both the husbands and the wives love like they are supposed to, each one has the same attitude towards the other and harmony follows.
This might sound really strange, but believe me, its true: other than physical size and strength, a female is superior to men in every way.
Not every single individual, but I'm talking about generalities.
Women are generally more like God than men. Most of them have more compassion, love, nurturing and empathy than men.
The attributes of God.

um, no.

 

[thesunisout]

No one has attempted to answer these questions yet:

How does the church submit to Christ?
What does it mean that Jesus is the head of the church?
How is the church subjected to Christ in everything?

The answers are the key to understanding Ephesians 5:22-24