I'm not sure what your vision means, but I think it's safe to ignore anyone's suggestion that it might be from satan or some dark power 
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A Vision?
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Your vision is very similar to one that someone had in church years ago. I don't remember all of it, but what I do rememeber is that it was about the Pastor leading the church up a mountain with a flashlight or torch and some followed all the way to the top and others ignored the light and got lost in the darkness on the hill or mountain and fell away. I gave your vision to a couple other people in church and am waiting thier opinon.
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No. As a matter of fact, I am almost looking down on it, as not to see beyond the base too far. It's not like I am in it floating or anything, it's just how I am looking at it from afar to see the whole scenario.
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I have been praying for what this might mean. Today, I feel that there was just a message on on paper given to the man. As I had thought that it was a map to the top to avoid obstacles, It seems that all it said was to be alert and as they come up that he would be told the way around them. It doesn't appear to be knowledge of the path, but instructions that would be given at the time that they were needed.
It makes me wonder about all the others. Do they just climb thinking they know and doing it on their own? Do they go just by what they see, and handle it without help? Are they trying to get there faster by avoiding the walk around the base to get the message as well? Is it an exercise in faith?
It makes me wonder about all the others. Do they just climb thinking they know and doing it on their own? Do they go just by what they see, and handle it without help? Are they trying to get there faster by avoiding the walk around the base to get the message as well? Is it an exercise in faith?
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Ishraqiyun
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Where people don't indulge in knee jerk classification of visions as demonic for no apparent reason? There is really nothing demonic about the imagery or apparent message. There was nothing particularly "New age" about it. It wasn't something that stirred up negative passsions like lust or hate. Sounds more edifying than demonic to me.
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2Co 4:4 In whom such as the God of eternity has stricken blind the senses of the unbelieving ones, that not should shine unto them the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the figure of God.
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Ishraqiyun
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I really wouldn't speculate on if the people calling this demonic have been stricken blind or not. That's not something I could assess over the internet based on a single post. All I'm saying is that I disagree with their take on the issue.
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Modern-day Christianity also encompasses paranoid people who think that every other Christian is in complete bondage to satan b/c they don't share the exact same opinions.
If you want to go around spewing venom all at every opportunity I think it would be helpful to take some time to examine yourself instead of accusing everyone else of having a problem.
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Who struck Paul blind?2Co 4:4 In whom such as the God of eternity has stricken blind the senses of the unbelieving ones, that not should shine unto them the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the figure of God.
They simply do not understand the power of God. He is in control of this world and everything in it. There is no little man with a pitchfork who opposes God.
1 Timothy 1:17, God himself is called τω δε βασιλει των αιωνων, the King of the WORLD; what we call King eternal; but here it evidently means Him who governs both worlds, and rules in time and eternity.
Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse:
But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world,
Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients.
The Adam Clarke Commentary
http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=2co&chapter=004
That by the God of this world the supreme Being is meant, who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost.
We are not willing to attribute the blinding of men’s minds to God, because we sometimes forget that he is the God of justice, and may in judgment remove mercies from those that abuse them; but this is repeatedly attributed to him in the Bible, and the expression before us is quite a parallel to the following,
Isa_6:9 : Go and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the Heart of this People Fat, and Make their Ears Heavy, and Shut their Eyes; Lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, etc. And see the parallel places, Mat_13:14, Mat_13:15; Mar_4:12; Joh_12:40; and particularly Rom_11:8-10 : God Hath Given Them the Spirit of Slumber, Eyes that they Should not See, and Ears that they Should not Hear; let their Eyes be Darkened, etc.
Now all this is spoken of the same people, in the same circumstances of wilful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, etc. On these very grounds it is exceedingly likely that the apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world. who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost.
We are not willing to attribute the blinding of men’s minds to God, because we sometimes forget that he is the God of justice, and may in judgment remove mercies from those that abuse them; but this is repeatedly attributed to him in the Bible, and the expression before us is quite a parallel to the following, Isa_6:9 : Go and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the Heart of this People Fat, and Make their Ears Heavy, and Shut their Eyes; Lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, etc.
And see the parallel places, Mat_13:14, Mat_13:15; Mar_4:12; Joh_12:40; and particularly Rom_11:8-10 : God Hath Given Them the Spirit of Slumber, Eyes that they Should not See, and Ears that they Should not Hear; let their Eyes be Darkened, etc. Now all this is spoken of the same people, in the same circumstances of wilful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, etc.
On these very grounds it is exceedingly likely that the apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world. [CLARKE]
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There is no ME feeling good in this. And I have read enough of your posts to think that Christians should suffer while in this world. Maybe the people at the base of the mountain are saying the same thing.
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timewerx says good things, he is just cautious of such things and so too did the mystics tell us to be cautious. even a evil thing can be good if God is in you, for no weapon formed against those attached to Christ shall prosper. nay they shall rather go into captivity rather than keep us in captivity. and this is a mystery, this is how we take over the world when we are spiritual. where there is evil, much more is their good. for evil is as the 1 sheep lost but the 99 are all the good. evils only chance to keep good from rolling over him is if good believes in lies and the bluffs evil makes. evil derives it's power by God, satan has to get authority from God, if not the higher authorities... the various good angels would simply crush to dust satan constantly. but God has allowed for this small time evil to prevail over good to some degree, giving us something to struggle with, God has turned it into a kind of refinement for us.
there is an angel set over the sinners of men, there is an angel set over tartarus. and there are angels of all kinds. if you look closely you can see that the vision might just match up with everything everyone has said. it is almost harder for something to not be unified, it is easier to simply not see things, than for thing to not be put together in a good manner. get rid of the dross and all that is left is silver. at a point in christ, the evil rules are made into fools though, but to those crushed under them, they are frightful and do cause damage to the weak.
the evil rulers are cowards, they hurt babies, that is their power. they are picture of the worse kinds of deeds in this word, things that almost no one at all likes. what kind of person can admire someone who hurts little children? even wars between adults is more honorable than this kind of sickness. child abusers! they have a problem and children must not be caught around such devices. the good child is safe, with his mother or his father or both at all times.
sometimes some children get abused but the end result will have to be Gods grace poured out on them. angels are said to be very simple beings, so simple that they don't even speak words. everything is a word, the same world. but it depends where you are at and there is no end. indeed evil is a real force in this world but those who cling to God will prevail over them mightily, but those who do not will be harmed, stripped naked and beat up by demon possessed people. as they try to cast demons out of others, they themselves have so many evil rulers over them, they are shown who rules over them. all things work for our good and there are different kinds of suffering but God is the perfection of all things.
there is an angel set over the sinners of men, there is an angel set over tartarus. and there are angels of all kinds. if you look closely you can see that the vision might just match up with everything everyone has said. it is almost harder for something to not be unified, it is easier to simply not see things, than for thing to not be put together in a good manner. get rid of the dross and all that is left is silver. at a point in christ, the evil rules are made into fools though, but to those crushed under them, they are frightful and do cause damage to the weak.
the evil rulers are cowards, they hurt babies, that is their power. they are picture of the worse kinds of deeds in this word, things that almost no one at all likes. what kind of person can admire someone who hurts little children? even wars between adults is more honorable than this kind of sickness. child abusers! they have a problem and children must not be caught around such devices. the good child is safe, with his mother or his father or both at all times.
sometimes some children get abused but the end result will have to be Gods grace poured out on them. angels are said to be very simple beings, so simple that they don't even speak words. everything is a word, the same world. but it depends where you are at and there is no end. indeed evil is a real force in this world but those who cling to God will prevail over them mightily, but those who do not will be harmed, stripped naked and beat up by demon possessed people. as they try to cast demons out of others, they themselves have so many evil rulers over them, they are shown who rules over them. all things work for our good and there are different kinds of suffering but God is the perfection of all things.
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Ishraqiyun
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I see that it says that I'm just not comfortable accusing the people who called this vision demonic of having been so blinded. It's possible that they are just simply wrong. That happens some times. It's even possible I'm wrong for that matter. The demonic thing just didn't seem to fit the evidence. I don't like charging people with things like that from such a small sample collection of statements in a thread. I don't think it's really possible to come to a firm conclusion from something like that.
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