A topic to discuss 2 - The mystery of Eve and the serpent

[7angel]

The mystery of Eve and the serpent is a source of laughter for many atheists say that the snake does not speak, how the snake could then say things as how say the Bible?


Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which Yahweh God had made. And the woman said, "How is that God has told you not eat from any tree in the garden?"
2 The woman answered the serpent: "We may eat fruit from the trees of the garden.
3 But the fruit of the tree in the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat from it or touch it on pain of death. "
4 But the serpent said to the woman: "You will not die.
5 For God knows well that the day you eat of it, it will open your eyes and be like God, knowing good and evil. "

There is in nature a language that everyone understood, even animals, is not a language, it is the facts of nature and the nature of the facts.

Jesus says by otherwise, "by their fruits ye shall know them"

Apparently, the man lost the ability to discern what is happening around you - what is false and what is true.

What is the mystery of Eve and the serpent? - God forbids
eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, of course, this ban makes Éva be attracted by the fruit of that tree one day and at some point, Éva sees a snake climbs a tree and eat the forbidden fruit and not dies, time passes and the snake go - then Éva gets the question, why the snake did not die? - The rest of the Bible say is the discernment of Eve.

If the snake ate and did not die, she could also do it, and he did.

We consider the tree name - "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" - means that both Eve as Adam
did not know anything about good and evil, that is, living in absolute ignorance. in fact, disobedience was included.

6 And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, appealing to the eye and great to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and gave also unto her husband, who also ate.
7 were opened to both of his eyes and realized that they were naked and sewed fig leaves made themselves aprons.

Only after eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they knew what they had done, if not eaten, were to continue living in abject ignorance.

But we must also realize that neither of them died, but continued his life, but they had to be earned by the sweat of their brows, ie using the intelligence and knowledge that over the years they gained,
had children, and children followed the path they started.


Of course they died, but after spending a long time, and thus began the long road of learning our knowledge of good and evil

 

[NOTurTypical]

Atheists laugh, but how does anyone know if before the fall we could communicate with animals? And not necessarily with spoken speech. How do they know that we couldn't communicate with animals before the fall??

Answer: They don't. They're basing their mocks on their understanding and their prejudicial arbitrary conjectures. It's a fallacious way to rationalize. Also worth nothing, the word translated "serpent" can also be translated "shining one". And we learn in the NT "marvel not" because satan can transform into an angel of light.

 

[Drayzon]

Another thought is why do small animals run from us. I tend to believe along with a loss of communication, there was also a loss of some sort of camaraderie between us and the animals...It's just a thought.

 

[thesunisout]

The serpent was Satan. He is the one who tempted Eve into eating the fruit. Before he said anything to her, she had no desire to eat the fruit at all.

The mystery of Eve and the serpent is a source of laughter for many atheists say that the snake does not speak, how the snake could then say things as how say the Bible?


Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which Yahweh God had made. And the woman said, "How is that God has told you not eat from any tree in the garden?"
2 The woman answered the serpent: "We may eat fruit from the trees of the garden.
3 But the fruit of the tree in the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat from it or touch it on pain of death. "
4 But the serpent said to the woman: "You will not die.
5 For God knows well that the day you eat of it, it will open your eyes and be like God, knowing good and evil. "

There is in nature a language that everyone understood, even animals, is not a language, it is the facts of nature and the nature of the facts.

Jesus says by otherwise, "by their fruits ye shall know them"

Apparently, the man lost the ability to discern what is happening around you - what is false and what is true.

What is the mystery of Eve and the serpent? - God forbids
eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, of course, this ban makes Éva be attracted by the fruit of that tree one day and at some point, Éva sees a snake climbs a tree and eat the forbidden fruit and not dies, time passes and the snake go - then Éva gets the question, why the snake did not die? - The rest of the Bible say is the discernment of Eve.

If the snake ate and did not die, she could also do it, and he did.

We consider the tree name - "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" - means that both Eve as Adam
did not know anything about good and evil, that is, living in absolute ignorance. in fact, disobedience was included.

6 And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, appealing to the eye and great to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and gave also unto her husband, who also ate.
7 were opened to both of his eyes and realized that they were naked and sewed fig leaves made themselves aprons.

Only after eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they knew what they had done, if not eaten, were to continue living in abject ignorance.

But we must also realize that neither of them died, but continued his life, but they had to be earned by the sweat of their brows, ie using the intelligence and knowledge that over the years they gained,
had children, and children followed the path they started.


Of course they died, but after spending a long time, and thus began the long road of learning our knowledge of good and evil

 

[Isatis]

Satan is spirit and so was Eve before the fall. I don't know why he used a serpent to deceive Eve but Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 both describe Satan as a serpent. The fact that the serpent was cursed to crawl on his belly (Genesis 3:14) suggests that it could walk/stand up before the curse. We don't know what that serpent looked like before it was cursed.

But God also used a donkey to speak to Balaam (Numbers 22:28) and spoke through the burning of a bush (Exodus 3:4)

Well, atheists don't believe in what they don't see, but only God can open our spiritual eyes, our minds and hearts to give us understanding of His Word. 1 Cor. 2:14 "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

 

[bibledoctrine]

The woman, known in Genesis 3 as the woman [Adam] - later to be named by Adam as "Eve", was deceived by a talking Satan, a visibly fallen angel:

I Timothy 2:14: And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

It was not until Genesis 3:20 that the woman (Adam) was named by Adam:

Genesis 3:20: And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Isatis was correct to say that God also used a donkey to speak to Balaam (Numbers 22:28) and spoke through the burning of a bush (Exodus 3:4)

However, God clearly communicated to Adam and the woman [Adam] that if they disobey His commandment that that would result in them to surely die.

Genesis 2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This death was a spiritual death, not referring to immediate physical death, but referring to immediate spiritual death. Even the Satan validated that a death was communicated, although Satan opposed it in the negative:

Genesis 3:4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Both individuals in this account of first human sin were real live physical being: Adam and Eve [Adam, later named Eve, v.3:20]. Satan is a serpent but Satan is fully able to reveal himself as an angel of light.

II Corinthians 11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Therefore, to the woman, Satan was visually visible, the woman was not looking at a unseen spirit - impossible! For how else would she be able to visually see Satan, except he revealed himself in the form of a snake.

Another point to correct - when both of their eyes were opened and they knew that they were naked, they immediately hand sewed fig leaves. The Bible does not say that they ran away wildly in the jungle naked, nor that they seeked a fig tree: the point is that they were standing adjacent to the fig tree, and it is very possible that the fig tree was the very tree that was tree was good for food. One thing for certain, it was not an apple tree: there is no scripture evidence for this tree being an apple tree; that is only conjecture and imagination, not scriptural.

Genesis 3:7: And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Now some may find these things hard to understand, 1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[tturt]

There's a lot of good info posted.

According to this verse, the enemy put thoughts into Eve's mind. "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." II Cor 11:3[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]Makes these verses really stand out "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; (II Cor 10); Eph 4:23 "And be renewed in the spirit of your mind" and Rom 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
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[7angel]

God planted in the garden of Eden the tree of good and evil - what would be the reasons?
Adam and Eve disobeyed because - did not know the good and bad - they had no needs, not imposing itself needs. they did not know or were not told there were better things.
After the warning from God entered curiosity in the mind of Eve, - the serpent's "example" - fired his imagination, he understood his own way.

They continued to live the same life like ours,
Nor died spiritually - because - which is born of the flesh is flesh, born of the Spirit is Spirit

 

[tturt]

Adam and Eve were told not to eat from that tree but they did; therefore, they lost their spiritual standing with Yahweh. They had to leave the garden but they were still His children.

 

[NOTurTypical]

Adam and Eve were told not to eat from that tree but they did; therefore, they lost their spiritual standing with Yahweh. They had to leave the garden but they were still His children.

Yes, same with the prodigal son. He disgraced his father, left home in rebellion, wasted his inheritance on riotous living and prostitutes, and yet never lost his sonship.

 

[Niemander]

It's interesting,

God planted two trees in eden - the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life.

It's reasonable to assume that eventually, Adam & Eve would've gotten around to eating the fruit of both.

God prohibited one but made no mention whatsoever of the other.

Why did God not prohibit (or at least caution against) talking to the serpent?

From a different angle, was Eden ever intended to be like heaven? God walked in the garden with Adam & Eve; from that perspective it would seem so. But why did God give Adam Eve for a wife? Jesus rebuked the Sadducees for their lack of knowledge about heaven after they tried to trick him with the story about the woman with multiple husbands, wondering whose she'd be in heaven. He indicated that in heaven men and women are not given in marriage...

So perhaps there was another purpose for the garden...

 

[7angel]

For a person considers itself free - should have options, and in his own reasoning. - choose
Give a choice by one or other, is not an option

On the other hand, Adam and Eve belongings to prehistoric men who lived in caves, nomads. not planted nor cultivated the land
Adam and Eve - were not the only humans were the primitive - were many others, not the first pair, the Bible says.

 

[Niemander]

For a person considers itself free - should have options, and in his own reasoning. - choose
Give a choice by one or other, is not an option

On the other hand, Adam and Eve belongings to prehistoric men who lived in caves, nomads. not planted nor cultivated the land
Adam and Eve - were not the only humans were the primitive - were many others, not the first pair, the Bible says.

Really? Where does the bible say there were others [pairs]?

 

[7angel]

Really? Where does the bible say there were others [pairs]?

Genesis 4

13 Cain said to Yahweh, "My punishment is too great to bear.
14 This means that you miss me this today and I ground to hide from your presence, a fugitive and wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me. "
15 Lord answered: "On the contrary, whoever kills Cain, sevenfold him." And the Lord put a mark on Cain so that anyone who found him should kill him.
16 Cain left the presence of the Lord, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
17 Cain knew his wife and she conceived and gave birth to Enoch. He was building a city, and called it Enoch, as the name of his son.
18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad begat Mejuyael, Mejuyael Methuselah begat and begat Lamech Methuselah.
19 Lamech took two wives: Adah the first call, and the second chair.

Adam and Eve only had sons

 

[NOTurTypical]

Adam and Eve only had sons

Who taught you that nonsense? Have you ever read past those verses you quoted? If so, did you skip over Genesis 5:4??

 

[7angel]

Who taught you that nonsense? Have you ever read past those verses you quoted? If so, did you skip over Genesis 5:4??

Genesis 5
3 When Adam had lived 130 years when he begat a son in his likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

This is true as you say, but the story of Adam and Eve ends with Seth
Also - the question was whether or not other people, and if it was written in the Bible.
4
Adam lived eight hundred years after he begot Seth, and he had other sons and daughters. 5 The whole lifetime of Adam was nine hundred and thirty years; then he died.

 

[NOTurTypical]

You said "Adam and Eve had only sons"

Which isn't true, Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters.

 

[Jarnold4108]

Eh, I'm more of the thought process the Story of Adam and Eve is that -- a story. To teach us about Original Sin and how sin came into being. I don't typically take a lot of the Old Testament as literal but, more of teaching a message through story.

 

[Niemander]

For a person considers itself free - should have options, and in his own reasoning. - choose
Give a choice by one or other, is not an option

On the other hand, Adam and Eve belongings to prehistoric men who lived in caves, nomads. not planted nor cultivated the land
Adam and Eve - were not the only humans were the primitive - were many others, not the first pair, the Bible says.

Really? Where does the bible say there were others [pairs]?

Genesis 4

13 Cain said to Yahweh, "My punishment is too great to bear.
14 This means that you miss me this today and I ground to hide from your presence, a fugitive and wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me. "
15 Lord answered: "On the contrary, whoever kills Cain, sevenfold him." And the Lord put a mark on Cain so that anyone who found him should kill him.
16 Cain left the presence of the Lord, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
17 Cain knew his wife and she conceived and gave birth to Enoch. He was building a city, and called it Enoch, as the name of his son.
18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad begat Mejuyael, Mejuyael Methuselah begat and begat Lamech Methuselah.
19 Lamech took two wives: Adah the first call, and the second chair.

Adam and Eve only had sons

This doesn't remotely prove your point that Adam and Eve weren't the first pair of humans.

Indeed, if there were other humans besides Adam and Eve then Adam wasn't the first man (as the bible says), nor Eve the first woman (taken from one of Adam's ribs...). Your assertion implies the bible is wrong, that God is wrong (who inspired the bible).

Moreover, your assertion promotes a heinous blasphemy - for if there were other [pairs] besides Adam [and Eve], then there were other lines of humans besides them. And if that were true, then sin, which entered the human race through Adam, only affects certain humans - humans of the descendancy of Adam. Those "other pairs" you assert would have been unaffected by Adam's sin.

No, you're quite wrong - and your reading of the bible in serious, serious error.

 

[7angel]

This doesn't remotely prove your point that Adam and Eve weren't the first pair of humans.

Indeed, if there were other humans besides Adam and Eve then Adam wasn't the first man (as the bible says), nor Eve the first woman (taken from one of Adam's ribs...). Your assertion implies the bible is wrong, that God is wrong (who inspired the bible).

Moreover, your assertion promotes a heinous blasphemy - for if there were other [pairs] besides Adam [and Eve], then there were other lines of humans besides them. And if that were true, then sin, which entered the human race through Adam, only affects certain humans - humans of the descendancy of Adam. Those "other pairs" you assert would have been unaffected by Adam's sin.

No, you're quite wrong - and your reading of the bible in serious, serious error.

I did not write Genesis 4 - but clearly states the existence of many other human beings

Genesis 4

13 Cain said to Yahweh, "My punishment is too great to bear.
14 This Means That You miss me this today and I ground to hide from your Presence, a fugitive and wanderer on the earth, and whoever I Will Kill Finds me. "

If were not others people - who could kill Cain?

15 Lord answered: "On the Contrary, whoever kills Cain, sevenfold him." And the Lord put a mark on Cain so That Should anyone Who found him, not kill him.

And these people of which God speaks?

16 Cain left the Presence of the Lord, and Settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
17 Cain knew His Wife and she Gave birth to Enoch.

Does the Bible lie? Where did his wife?

He was building a city, and Called It Enoch, as the name of His son.


18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad begat Mejuyael, begat and begat Methuselah Mejuyael Lamech Methuselah.
19 Lamech Took two wives: Adah the first call, and the second chair.

Where did the wives of the sons of Cain?