A Thread about Nothing

[Faith.Man]

This is a thread about nothing. God formed the universe out of nothing, or as Einstein has proven, Energy equals Mass times the speed of light squared. God's word was the energy converted to mass that all substance in the universe is composed of.

Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

There was no preexisting universe or anything else. Even time did not exist. In an instance, God created the universe from a word, His word. He said it and it was. The dimensions unfolded and time began. The Biblical description coincides quite nicely with the Big Bang Theory, or vice-versa.

Translating Genesis 1:1: Aristotle or the Big Bang? Part 1 (of 2) | Reasons To Believe

Translating Genesis 1:1: Aristotle or the Big Bang? Part 2 (of 2) | Reasons To Believe

So, is belief in the Big Bang Theory Biblical?

Is the Big Bang Biblical? | Reasons To Believe

We worship an awesome God!

 

[savedandthankful]

The bible neither speaks for or against a big bang, but it seems to be consistant with the word. Creation came from noting and so did the big bang.

I agree with the quote from the last link "Far from being an atheistic idea to be avoided, big bang cosmology yields powerful support for the supernatural origin of the Bible."

When people form a wrong view of something and use it for their own purposes (as some athiests have done), it doesn't prevent believers from acknowleginging it as a possibility providing it is not inconsitant with God's word or held as equal to God's word. God's word is the truth and I'm open minded to the big band because it doesn't contradict God's word.

 

[1watchman]

I agree with these good thoughts, but I avoid a "big bang" reference, for we don't know that is exactly how it happened as atheistic scientist say; and, I would not want any new believers going down that road of inquiry, to be ensnared by that heresy. Let us just hold fast to the Word of God.

- 1 Watchman

 

[Faith.Man]

I agree with these good thoughts, but I avoid a "big bang" reference, for we don't know that is exactly how it happened as atheistic scientist say; and, I would not want any new believers going down that road of inquiry, to be ensnared by that heresy. Let us just hold fast to the Word of God.

- 1 Watchman

I'm not sure what heresy you're speaking of. Maybe you can be more specific.

 

[signal4]

God did not make the universe out of nothing. He made it by his own unlimited power. Power is energy and energy can be converted into matter. Creation science is very scientific. Evolutionists have nothing to start with. Not even an unlimited source of power.

 

[Faith.Man]

God did not make the universe out of nothing. He made it by his own unlimited power. Power is energy and energy can be converted into matter. Creation science is very scientific. Evolutionists have nothing to start with. Not even an unlimited source of power.

Before the eleven dimensions of space-time unfolded, God is. The energy needed to start the Big Bang came from outside these eleven dimensions. At least, that's the way I understand it. God correct me if I'm wrong!

 

[signal4]

We're on the same page brother. You just put it in different words.

 

[1watchman]

There are some good thoughts posted here. I spoke of heresy of both "no God" and a "limited God". Both are heretical of the Word of God to man. We need to hold to the Holy Scriptures and not speculate. BTW, I enjoy reading at ICR.org --has anyone been there?

- 1 Watchman

 

[Zeek]

God did not make the universe out of nothing. He made it by his own unlimited power. Power is energy and energy can be converted into matter. Creation science is very scientific. Evolutionists have nothing to start with. Not even an unlimited source of power.

I see what you are saying, but He did form the worlds out of nothing...in other words it was different to the way we are told He created Adam or fashioned Eve, there was no substance from which the Universe could be constructed, He called into being what is, from what did not exist.

Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

 

[Faith.Man]

I see what you are saying, but He did form the worlds out of nothing...in other words it was different to the way we are told He created Adam or fashioned Eve, there was no substance from which the Universe could be constructed, He called into being what is, from what did not exist.

Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

Excellent quote. Another translation of Hebrews 1:3 follows:

Hebrews 1:3 - He is the sole expression of the glory of God [the Light-being, the out-raying or radiance of the divine], and He is the perfect imprint and very image of [God's] nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by His mighty word of power. When He had by offering Himself accomplished our cleansing of sins and riddance of guilt, He sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high, [Amplified Bible]

 

[St. Helens]

My husband and I are big fans of ICR.org. God speaking the world into existance is also called fiat creation.

Been reading through the faqs on this section. I do definitely qualify.

This little verse offers hints as to how God may have spread out the stars and galaxies.

Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Psalm 104:2

I recommend the book Starlight and Time by Dr. Russell Humphreys. It compare origins models and explains the mathematics behind how God did it. He explains the time warping that took place as God stretched out the heavens. Fascinating book.

 

[FundamentalistJohn]

I'm not really educated enough to have an informed opinion, but whenever someone asks "could God have" my answer is always yes. Could God have caused what is referred to as the big bang? Sure. I don't normally get caught up in the how but am much more interested in the why.

 

[Faith.Man]

I'm not really educated enough to have an informed opinion, but whenever someone asks "could God have" my answer is always yes. Could God have caused what is referred to as the big bang? Sure. I don't normally get caught up in the how but am much more interested in the why.

Why do you think some, even among our fundamentalist brethren, want to limit God?

 

[signal4]

Please explain what you mean about "fundamentalist bretheren" limiting God. Maybe we can go a little deeper here.

 

[Avatar]

The Universe is God's dream. Something cannot come from nothing. The universe was created by God, from God. There is not a single subatomic particle in this universe that is not holy, that is not from God, that is not of God. Such is my belief, make of it what you will.

 

[Faith.Man]

Please explain what you mean about "fundamentalist bretheren" limiting God. Maybe we can go a little deeper here.

You left out an important word, the adjective "some". By believing the theory of evolution versus the Genesis account, some have attributed the works of God to natural causes. Personally, I believe this minimizes God's power. I see God as the Creator of the universe by his word, and his sustaining of this universe, from the smallest subatomic particle to fabric of the universe itself.

 

[jacobs well]

Thank you for your posts-so fascinating.
When David said in Psalm 33 - " The Lord merely spoke, and the heavens were created. He breathed the word, and all the stars were born. He gave the sea its boundaries and locked the oceans in vast reservoirs. let everyone fear the Lord and let everyone stand in awe of him. For when He spoke, the world began. It appeared at His command ",
Fiat creation? You betcha it is. What awesome power
jw

 

[Faith.Man]

From Reasons to Believe, I link to an article on the age of the universe.

A Best of TNRTB: Gravitational Lenses Measure the Universe | Reasons To Believe

As stated, these were all Christian believers who took part in this test. The universe had a beginning. A beginning where nothing existed, not even time. But I Am (God) already Is. This is a powerful statement God made of Himself, beyond comprehension for the Jewish people to fully appreciate. Can we appreciate it?

 

[Faith.Man]

Some more resources for those of us interested in this subject. As an aside, I read somewhere recently that the Big Bang was actually silent. Thinking about it and knowing there was no medium to carry sonic waves, it makes sense to me. But, I will still refer to it as the Big Bang since that is how it is most referred to.

Does the Big Bang Contradict Creation? - Come Reason Ministries

I have only skim read this article but it appears to be very scholarly. God continues to throw monkey wrenches in man's understanding of cosmology. In this case, we have dark matter. Since this article was written, much has been postulated about dark matter. What's really amazing to me, the universe is still expanding. God's stretching out the heavens continues.

http://www.letu.edu/opencms/export/download/chemphys/BigBang.pdf

All this, everything seen and unseen in the universe, was created by a loving God through His Son, the Word of God, Jesus. This is more than amazing.

 

[Faith.Man]

Hubble spies oldest galaxy, 13.2 billion years old.

Hubble spies faint glow of oldest, most distant galaxy | The Space Shot - CNET News