A Thread about Nothing

[Standing_Ultraviolet]

TBH, Origins theology is one of the things that I struggle the most with, but no matter where you stand on the age of the Universe issue, there is absolutely no getting around the fact that something came from nothing at some point. And then you start asking yourself why something would just develop out of literal nothingness; not a quantum vacuum, but something where not even a quantum field existed...

 

[Faith.Man]

TBH, Origins theology is one of the things that I struggle the most with, but no matter where you stand on the age of the Universe issue, there is absolutely no getting around the fact that something came from nothing at some point. And then you start asking yourself why something would just develop out of literal nothingness; not a quantum vacuum, but something where not even a quantum field existed...

The Quantum Vacuum

The universe did not begin in a quantum vacuum. The universe began out of nothing. A vacuum requires space. Understanding eleven dimension space is still a work in progress, although much progress has been made over the last few years. As an engineer, I have worked with vacuums both theoretically and physically. Vacuums require space.

 

[Standing_Ultraviolet]

The Quantum Vacuum

The universe did not begin in a quantum vacuum. The universe began out of nothing. A vacuum requires space. Understanding eleven dimension space is still a work in progress, although much progress has been made over the last few years. As an engineer, I have worked with vacuums both theoretically and physically. Vacuums require space.

True. I was trying to say that even a quantum vacuum isn't true nothingness, so you still have to explain how that came into being out of nothing.

The idea that the Universe popped into existence out of a quantum vacuum is a reason I've heard from atheists for saying that it could just come out of nothing spontaneously on its own, but a quantum vacuum is something, and as you said, a quantum vacuum occupies space, which is also something (I think; on this scale it gets a little weird and you seem to actually know what you're talking about, so you can correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[Faith.Man]

True. I was trying to say that even a quantum vacuum isn't true nothingness, so you still have to explain how that came into being out of nothing.

True.

The idea that the Universe popped into existence out of a quantum vacuum is a reason I've heard from atheists for saying that it could just come out of nothing spontaneously on its own, but a quantum vacuum is something, and as you said, a quantum vacuum occupies space, which is also something (I think; on this scale it gets a little weird and you seem to actually know what you're talking about, so you can correct me if I'm wrong).

So far, the Big Bang Theory has been confirmed scientifically by many scientists and countries.

The quantum vacuum argument is similar to Boltzmann's many worlds hypothesis or the Oscillating Universes argument. All are clever attempts to get around the finiteness of the universe. Atheists/agnostics need infinite age to be a real provable concept so God can be eliminated as the first cause. The Big Bang Theory gives as a beginning 13-14 billion years ago. This follows both cosmology and a literal interpretation of scripture (Gap Theory). Dr. William Lane Craig talks about some of this in his apologetic book "On Guard".

When you start talking about quantum vacuum or zero point energy, you have to ask yourself where did the energy come from? Where did the oscillations come from? Who or what was the first cause? Atheists/agnostics will fall back on randomness at some point in their argument. But, in our universe, there is no randomness. We may not know the cause right away, but everything has a cause, a cause and effect relationship. Nothing in the universe is random, not to my knowledge anyway.