A supernatural high?

[LogosRhema]

I have seen God do things that surprised me. I have read in the bible stories of God doing things that surprised me.

Possibly authentic might be a starting point for some. God is a supernatural God.

But upon closer examination , we can see more clearly whether it is from God or not. I do not blindly judge him based upon sectarian bias or personal prejudice. I pray about it and I do research and compare it to the bible. I did not dismiss it simply on the basis that it seems weird or strange to me.

Although I do think that strangeness is a valid factor to look at. If someone is intentionally strange on a regular basis , that is a warning sign. It is a warning sign of immaturity , at best. Or potentially of something even worse.

There are several warning signs with John Crowder. Call them red flags , if you like. in some cases , we see red flags in a ministry and yet we can be pleasantly surprised when we dig a little bit deeper and find that those red flags that we saw were not as bad as we thought. With John Crowder and Brandon Barthrop , when I dig deeper and look into their ministries , I find it to be even worse than my original concerns.

To answer your concern / question. I am not advising people to have a knee jerk response and base their decision upon outward appearance. I advise people to dig a little deeper and see for themselves , if they are not sure.

What I found when I dug a little deeper is that the problems are worse than just immature strange behavior. If I thought it was just immature behavior , I would not have posted this thread.

Let every person be fully persuaded in their own mind.

When I point out the strange behavior , I am pointing out a red flag. Nothing more and nothing less. But in this particular case , I have already decided that the red flag is the tip of the iceberg of even greater concerns.

You haven't even discussed what John teaches. I'm leaving out Brandon because he is not to be included as he isn't teaching the same things.

Have you only watched this heretics hunters videos, which are out of context clips? Have you looked into Johns actual website or YouTube? Your accusations are vague behavioral issues and supposed red flags, which can be easily connected with because he doesn't fit your vision of what its like to walk in the joy of our Lord.

Surface teaching, beyond toking the ghost or drunkenness and you'll be quite surprised. Trust me. I used to be where you are.

I did not always believe this. My intent to answer questions involving legitimate experience in this different view biblically. Not hearsay because he looks funny. Leaving out Brandon, what have you dug up on Johns ministry?

 

[K2K]

In my time following the Lord (just over ten years) there have been times when He has done very strange things around me. I've been pinned to the floor, incredibally happy, had a peace that is indiscribable, and been drunk in the Spirit.

None of that is my normal life though. I'm more of a work-alcoholic than alcoholic, and always have been. Still that is the way I like it, so I once told the Lord that if He was going to keep me here on earth, I wanted things to do.

So if it is possible to be drunk in the Spirit, what would happen if a person wanted to be drunk in the Spirit most of the time. Would the Lord answer that request?

It doesn't seem like a very good way to live, but that maybe just my thinking. I wouldn't want to follow anyone like that. Then again I like getting things done, not just feeling high.

The wisest thing to do would of course be to just do and say what God tells us. Jesus did that, the rest of us fall short.

Now I ask; if a person wants to just be high then goes to the Lord and asks for it, could the Lord use that person to tell people about Jesus Christ? It might not be the best testimony, but what about someone at the exact opposite end. There have been many Christian miniteries which have seemed way too structured and condemning to me, but they preached Jesus Christ.

I don't understand every thing, and I certainly don't understand everybody, but I do know there is One I can go to for advice. If I listen to Him, He will listen to me. I wouldn't want to be drunk in the Spirit all the time, but it was interest the few times it did happen.

I have never heard the Lord drunk when He talked to me. Then again, being drunk is not for kings is it? So even if a person does get drunk in the Spirit, is it wise to make it a habit?

Prov 31:4-7 ...It is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to desire strong drink. For they will dring and forget what is decreed, and pervert the rights of all the afflicted.

Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to him whose like if bitter. Let him drink and forget his poverty and remember his trouble no more

Might this also apply to being drunk in the Spirit. If so, the Lord might be behind it. Is the man's life bitter, is he perishing, and is he troubled?

 

[Blueberrymuffin09]

this man is offering strange fire before the Lord. I have no problem with manifestations etc., but this is too too far, even for me.

 

[LogosRhema]

In my time following the Lord (just over ten years) there have been times when He has done very strange things around me. I've been pinned to the floor, incredibally happy, had a peace that is indiscribable, and been drunk in the Spirit.

None of that is my normal life though. I'm more of a work-alcoholic than alcoholic, and always have been. Still that is the way I like it, so I once told the Lord that if He was going to keep me here on earth, I wanted things to do.

So if it is possible to be drunk in the Spirit, what would happen if a person wanted to be drunk in the Spirit most of the time. Would the Lord answer that request?

It doesn't seem like a very good way to live, but that maybe just my thinking. I wouldn't want to follow anyone like that. Then again I like getting things done, not just feeling high.

The wisest thing to do would of course be to just do and say what God tells us. Jesus did that, the rest of us fall short.

Now I ask; if a person wants to just be high then goes to the Lord and asks for it, could the Lord use that person to tell people about Jesus Christ? It might not be the best testimony, but what about someone at the exact opposite end. There have been many Christian miniteries which have seemed way too structured and condemning to me, but they preached Jesus Christ.

I don't understand every thing, and I certainly don't understand everybody, but I do know there is One I can go to for advice. If I listen to Him, He will listen to me. I wouldn't want to be drunk in the Spirit all the time, but it was interest the few times it did happen.

I have never heard the Lord drunk when He talked to me. Then again, being drunk is not for kings is it? So even if a person does get drunk in the Spirit, is it wise to make it a habit?

Prov 31:4-7 ...It is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to desire strong drink. For they will dring and forget what is decreed, and pervert the rights of all the afflicted.

Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to him whose like if bitter. Let him drink and forget his poverty and remember his trouble no more

Might this also apply to being drunk in the Spirit. If so, the Lord might be behind it. Is the man's life bitter, is he perishing, and is he troubled?

The Lord's wine isn't to be confused with worldly wine and effects. I sure do live in this drunkenness and I recognize it as bliss everyday.

The primary reference is Acts 2, but you can see a perfect peace which transcends all understanding found in phillipians. Which is simply brought on in our faith that He has it all taken care of. I will never forget the moment I experienced it during a time that I did not live in the drunken glory.

It is also understood as God's rest that is found discussed in Hebrews 3-4. I can say that I have had times where it has manifested upon me where I have stumbled around, laughed, etc. But generally I'd describe it a perfect peace or bliss. And it does show on my face. I've had several encounters where this joy has brought people to me. And believe it or not the response of the "lost" is of intrigue.

But it shows strongly when I am among believers worshipping and enjoying the Lord in His presence. There is something about fellowship that this bliss just increases. Perhaps I simply enter more deeply into His rest? I don't know. A sense of community that i have never seen before develops out of this But hence the term glory parties has arisen.

Do not mistaken the terminology as that of orgies or other foolishness. I've experienced a paramount of authentic love pouring out of these peoples lives. Miracles begin to happen easily. I watch depressing melt off people. Or the weight of day to day living lift. At a fellowship i attend to manna has begun to manifest.

And yes this bliss does lead people to witness as we are overflowing with love and desire to bring more into knowledge of reconciliation thru the Son. And yes there are times that we just worship and enjoy the Lord. All depends on the flow of the Spirit. I witnessed people come in off the street feeling "led" to just walk into the house we are in.

I can't even begin to describe the fruit of the Spirit upon me since I've started living in Him. I don't have to strive they come effortlessly in my union with Him and I know many more that can testify the same. In the end, we see our Lord Christ as a bartender of joy as He does celebrate His unity with us.

It's just needs to be seen and experienced in person. I completely resisted this when I first was introduced and I even left for almost a year and put the "foolishness" behind me. Then the Lord in our own private time showed me more. And finally I returned. Nothing else even compares.

And do not mistake me, it is all about Christ. There's so much joy, peace, love, kindness, gladness, goodness, peace, and freedom in the glory!

The Lord is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him. In all of this it 100% becomes about Him and what He is doing. And He acts thru us and is our boldness and joy of the Gospel.

Call me decieved or heretical but because of the fruit, this peace beyond my understanding that increases day by day and the love that flows off from me, I'm ok with carrying these titles. Besides, I never said them but thought the same before I was conformed into His likeness and still am everyday.

 

[Tamara224]

I'm not defending John, I'm here representing what I know is taught and he is not the originator. And I did answer your question as you seem rather clueless as to my reference, and you did admit your imagination which was the asumption of a conclusion of what he taught from your own judgment of what was said.

Logos, I haven't judged John Crowder. I made it very clear that I was not accusing him of anything.

Now, if you want to keep trying to attack me personally, just realize that you're going to lose any chance you ever had of presenting your opinion to me and having me listen.

Calling me "clueless" and what-not is only hurting your case.

I know what the fruit of the Spirit is and I know what fruit I look at if I'm intent on making a judgment call (which I wasn't, in this thread). My question to you was whose fruit are you referring to (John Crowder's or someone else) and what fruit are you referring to. You see, I don't know what you're thinking until you type it out. I've encountered various beliefs about what fruit we look at and I've learned that this is one of the things we have to get a definition on before the conversation can go further.

I'm not here to split hairs nor do I care to represent John. But I do live in the drunken glory. To pass off anyone who believes this without first at least deciphering what is taught is blind and erroneous. Just because you are not experiencing an aspect that is different than what you know does not nullify the said experience. Unless you want to claim your doctrine is better, then please move on.

LOL. Okay, then present your position and quit worrying about me.

A lot of misrepresentation of what I believe is going on and I care to take the time to answer any honest questions.

It's not possible that anyone has misrepresented your position when no one has attempted to say what we think you believe.

Drop the defensiveness and present your case, if you want it heard. You say you're not interested in bandying words, but then that's all you've done in your posts with me. You say if I have any questions, you'll answer them...but you still haven't answered the ones I posed to you two posts ago.

 

[LogosRhema]

Logos, I haven't judged John Crowder. I made it very clear that I was not accusing him of anything.

Now, if you want to keep trying to attack me personally, just realize that you're going to lose any chance you ever had of presenting your opinion to me and having me listen.

Calling me "clueless" and what-not is only hurting your case.

I know what the fruit of the Spirit is and I know what fruit I look at if I'm intent on making a judgment call (which I wasn't, in this thread). My question to you was whose fruit are you referring to (John Crowder's or someone else) and what fruit are you referring to. You see, I don't know what you're thinking until you type it out. I've encountered various beliefs about what fruit we look at and I've learned that this is one of the things we have to get a definition on before the conversation can go further.

LOL. Okay, then present your position and quit worrying about me.

It's not possible that anyone has misrepresented your position when no one has attempted to say what we think you believe.

Drop the defensiveness and present your case, if you want it heard. You say you're not interested in bandying words, but then that's all you've done in your posts with me. You say if I have any questions, you'll answer them...but you still haven't answered the ones I posed to you two posts ago.

I have answered them with a question to clarify your, what seemed to me, cluelessness as of the origins of where i would say that. I know its hard to read the attitude behind one anothers words without faces, know that I'm not attacking, logic is rather dry so read it without picturing some smug troll Mostly confused how i would know John's fruit when I admitted to never been to a conference of his. The rest I know of him is teaching and interactions I have with him via Facebook which isn't much different than me and you. And, let me be clear, he is not my "celebrity". There's plenty i agree with him on but I'm far from star struck with him.

Thus the only fruit I know of is my own well not mine to be claimed but what has manifested in my own life and others I do know personally that live in it. Clear hopefully?

Misrepresentation is in the OP video which is that of a heretic hunter who's main message isn't of Christ but discreditting his perception and understanding of those who don't agree with him. Using out of context video clips and distorting speakers words. Truly wasteful, manipulating words and playing on them is an attempt to referee people. He has SEVERAL videos that all are smug, cocky and mock the false teachers. None that I have seen so far proclaim the gospel, which most would agree is what Christ asked us to do.

 

[mrmccormo]

I have seen first-hand how people are led astray by "experiential Christianity", even to the point of organizing events and prayer meetings for the expressed purpose of "calling down angels". In these environments, God has for some inexplicable reason had some of these people open up to me (glory be to God, not me), probably due to my root in the Scriptures. These are people who have prayed in tongues, "drunk the wine" of the Spirit, heard God's voice, spoken prophecies, seen angles, and seen miracles (including healing), and yet they would come to me in private and admit "I feel so empty and exhausted. Unless I'm praying in tongues or seeing a miracle, I feel like I'm not even a Christian". Please let me clarify that I have also experienced the abovementioned things and I am not discrediting them.

I told them to read God's Word, and it helped tremendously. Looking back, I should have also pointed them to 1 Corinthians 13 and showed them that miracles, prophecies, tongues, etc don't mean anything if you do not have love. Acting out in love toward our neighbors is also a practical way to stay rooted if you're in a situation with this sort of stuff going on.

Also, Biblically, did these miraculous things occur on an individual basis or within "the church"? Other than miracles performed by the apostles (for the expressed purpose of proclaiming the Gospel in most cases), all of the miracles and signs in the NT occured within the church, not on an individual basis. I'm not saying a person can't pray in tongues on their own. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't "personalize" the gifts of God and act as if they're there for our entertainment.

 

[LogosRhema]

I have seen first-hand how people are led astray by "experiential Christianity", even to the point of organizing events and prayer meetings for the expressed purpose of "calling down angels". In these environments, God has for some inexplicable reason had some of these people open up to me (glory be to God, not me), probably due to my root in the Scriptures. These are people who have prayed in tongues, heard God's voice, spoken prophecies, seen angles, and seen miracles (including healing), and yet they would come to me in private and admit "I feel so empty and exhausted. Unless I'm praying in tongues or seeing a miracle, I feel like I'm not even a Christian".

I told them to read God's Word, and it helped tremendously. Looking back, I should have also pointed them to 1 Corinthians 13 and showed them that miracles, prophecies, tongues, etc don't mean anything if you do not have love. Acting out in love toward our neighbors is also a practical way to stay rooted if you're in a situation with this sort of stuff going on.

Also, Biblically, did these miraculous things occur on an individual basis or within "the church"? Other than miracles performed by the apostles (for the expressed purpose of proclaiming the Gospel in most cases), all of the miracles and signs in the NT occured within the church, not on an individual basis. I'm not saying a person can't pray in tongues on their own. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't "personalize" the gifts of God and act as if they're there for our entertainment.

Lol I can promise you none in the groups are calling down angels. It is abiding in the truth and rejoicing in it is our bliss. Essentially, focusing on the Word is occurring for your reference. you should see the excitement there when scripture is simply read! Lol

 

[LeadWorship]

I watched only 2 minutes, and didn't ready hardly any of the replies, so feel free to avoid mine altogether, but here's my 2 cents:

1. Being drunk, high (or whatever is typically given to a drug/alcohol usage or over consumption) in the Spirit has been around since I can remember, back over 20 years ago. I never liked hearing it be said then, nor do I like the phrase now.

2. What he said (in the video) about "drunken Glory" and "fat friar tuck angels" to me is speaking dishonorably of my King, Lord, and Father and I don't enjoy hearing my God spoken of in such a way.

These 2 points are personally biased and as such shouldn't hurt anyone elses feeling, I just felt dirty after those 2 minutes and now feel the need to go cleanse myself. *shiver*

 

[mrmccormo]

Lol I can promise you none in the groups are calling down angels. It is abiding in the truth and rejoicing in it is our bliss. Essentially, focusing on the Word is occurring for your reference. you should see the excitement there when scripture is simply read! Lol

I can't speak for your own group. I am not accusing your own group.

However, to say "I can promise you none in the groups are calling down angels" is not true. I have seen the practice myself. I have heard the declaration that "tonight, we're going to call down angels and see their glory" with my own ears.

 

[LogosRhema]

I can't speak for your own group. I am not accusing your own group.

However, to say "I can promise you none in the groups are calling down angels" is not true. I have seen the practice myself. I have heard the declaration that "tonight, we're going to call down angels and see their glory" with my own ears.

Was this a separate group identified otherwise? Glory movement, finished works of the cross believers?

Regardless the groups I visit do not call down angels. We acknowledge that angels do minister and at time worship with us. Which most believing groups don't find too strange. Not into angel worship, bad teaching if we were lol. This is about Jesus!

 

[K2K]

The Lord's wine isn't to be confused with worldly wine and effects. I sure do live in this drunkenness and I recognize it as bliss everyday.

The primary reference is Acts 2, but you can see a perfect peace which transcends all understanding found in phillipians. Which is simply brought on in our faith that He has it all taken care of. I will never forget the moment I experienced it during a time that I did not live in the drunken glory.

It is also understood as God's rest that is found discussed in Hebrews 3-4. I can say that I have had times where it has manifested upon me where I have stumbled around, laughed, etc. But generally I'd describe it a perfect peace or bliss. And it does show on my face. I've had several encounters where this joy has brought people to me. And believe it or not the response of the "lost" is of intrigue.

But it shows strongly when I am among believers worshipping and enjoying the Lord in His presence. There is something about fellowship that this bliss just increases. Perhaps I simply enter more deeply into His rest? I don't know. A sense of community that i have never seen before develops out of this But hence the term glory parties has arisen.

Do not mistaken the terminology as that of orgies or other foolishness. I've experienced a paramount of authentic love pouring out of these peoples lives. Miracles begin to happen easily. I watch depressing melt off people. Or the weight of day to day living lift. At a fellowship i attend to manna has begun to manifest.

And yes this bliss does lead people to witness as we are overflowing with love and desire to bring more into knowledge of reconciliation thru the Son. And yes there are times that we just worship and enjoy the Lord. All depends on the flow of the Spirit. I witnessed people come in off the street feeling "led" to just walk into the house we are in.

I can't even begin to describe the fruit of the Spirit upon me since I've started living in Him. I don't have to strive they come effortlessly in my union with Him and I know many more that can testify the same. In the end, we see our Lord Christ as a bartender of joy as He does celebrate His unity with us.

It's just needs to be seen and experienced in person. I completely resisted this when I first was introduced and I even left for almost a year and put the "foolishness" behind me. Then the Lord in our own private time showed me more. And finally I returned. Nothing else even compares.

And do not mistake me, it is all about Christ. There's so much joy, peace, love, kindness, gladness, goodness, peace, and freedom in the glory!

The Lord is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him. In all of this it 100% becomes about Him and what He is doing. And He acts thru us and is our boldness and joy of the Gospel.

Call me decieved or heretical but because of the fruit, this peace beyond my understanding that increases day by day and the love that flows off from me, I'm ok with carrying these titles. Besides, I never said them but thought the same before I was conformed into His likeness and still am everyday.

The fruit of the Spirit is not the same as being drunk in the Spirit!!

That incredible peace that sometimes comes on you, is not the same as being drunk in the Spirit!

The Joy of the Lord is not the same as being drunk in the Spirit!

The fire, the happiness, the feeling like fresh cool water, even the sadness you sometimes feel when you get close to Him (He was and still is a man of sorrows) is not the same as being drunk in the Spirit.

I experience all those things at times, and I have experienced being drunk in the Spirit to where my words were slurred. It was very similar to being drunk with achol (which i have experienced before coming to know the Lord), but it didn't effect my driving and there was no hang over the next day.

To me, knowing the Lord primarily means walking and talking with Him, but, as you seems know, it means so much more that just that. He promises like and that more abundantly. Still we all have requests and desires, and He like to give us the desires of our hearts.

In the case of the video at the beginning of this thread, the man may very well be the Lords and be acting silly because he is drunk in the Spirit. It is not the way our leaders should be, according the Scriptures. (see Prov posted on proir post) I have never heard the Lord talk in such speach, but I have heard Him laugh and joke.

The Lord asked me to go for a walk with Him this morning. He talked to me about a hypothetical man that worked hard all week, then came home on Friday and got drunk. Then worked hard the next week and did the same thing. The Lord asked, "Would you in prison a man like that if you were the king?"

Then He talked about Noah. He was a man that built a boat at the Lord's command. Brought in two of each animal at the Lord's command. Then afterwards got drunk and passed out. So what do we think of Noah?

Then He pointed out to me that if it wasn't for Noah, none of us would be here today. Noah was the only person found during his time to be worthy by God.

Certainly it wasn't the getting drunk, that was to Noah's credit, but rather doing what the Lord commanded him to do that was to Noah's credit. In the same way it is not getting drunk in the Spirit that is to our credit, but listening to the instruction the Lord has for us that is to our credit.

We had better becareful about judging someone that preaches Jesus Christ, even if he obviously appears to be drunk. Whether the man is drunk in the Spirit or whether the man is actually drunk with alchol like Noah, you had still better becareful about judging a man of God!!

If the man know the Lord, he will be made to stand before the Lord. If you judge a man of God incorrectly, will you not be reproved and disciplined for you actions. If you know the Lord, you will, and if you don't know the Lord you will be thrown in hell of coming against the choosen of the Lord's.

So a man could be drunk either spiritually of physically, and be the Lord's choosen. But I don't follow men, I follow the Lord, and so I don't follow a man that is drunk no matter what the case. Nor do I try to live a life that way.

 

[LogosRhema]

The fruit of the Spirit is not the same as being drunk in the Spirit!!

That incredible peace that sometimes comes on you, is not the same as being drunk in the Spirit!

The Joy of the Lord is not the same as being drunk in the Spirit!

The fire, the happiness, the feeling like fresh cool water, even the sadness you sometimes feel when you get close to Him (He was and still is a man of sorrows) is not the same as being drunk in the Spirit.

I experience all those things at times, and I have experienced being drunk in the Spirit to where my words were slurred. It was very similar to being drunk with achol (which i have experienced before coming to know the Lord), but it didn't effect my driving and there was no hang over the next day.

To me, knowing the Lord primarily means walking and talking with Him, but, as you seems know, it means so much more that just that. He promises like and that more abundantly. Still we all have requests and desires, and He like to give us the desires of our hearts.

In the case of the video at the beginning of this thread, the man may very well be the Lords and be acting silly because he is drunk in the Spirit. It is not the way our leaders should be, according the Scriptures. (see Prov posted on proir post) I have never heard the Lord talk in such speach, but I have heard Him laugh and joke.

The Lord asked me to go for a walk with Him this morning. He talked to me about a hypothetical man that worked hard all week, then came home on Friday and got drunk. Then worked hard the next week and did the same thing. The Lord asked, "Would you in prison a man like that if you were the king?"

Then He talked about Noah. He was a man that built a boat at the Lord's command. Brought in two of each animal at the Lord's command. Then afterwards got drunk and passed out. So what do we think of Noah?

Then He pointed out to me that if it wasn't for Noah, none of us would be here today. Noah was the only person found during his time to be worthy by God.

Certainly it wasn't the getting drunk, that was to Noah's credit, but rather doing what the Lord commanded him to do that was to Noah's credit. In the same way it is not getting drunk in the Spirit that is to our credit, but listening to the instruction the Lord has for us that is to our credit.

We had better becareful about judging someone that preaches Jesus Christ, even if he obviously appears to be drunk. Whether the man is drunk in the Spirit or whether the man is actually drunk with alchol like Noah, you had still better becareful about judging a man of God!!

If the man know the Lord, he will be made to stand before the Lord. If you judge a man of God incorrectly, will you not be reproved and disciplined for you actions. If you know the Lord, you will, and if you don't know the Lord you will be thrown in hell of coming against the choosen of the Lord's.

So a man could be drunk either spiritually of physically, and be the Lord's choosen. But I don't follow men, I follow the Lord, and so I don't follow a man that is drunk no matter what the case. Nor do I try to live a life that way.

Being drunk in the Spirit and being blissful are two different things to me but are still simply a by product of our joy and peace in Him.

Time will tell, as it usually reveals where John or where I go. I can and will continue to the simple and mysterious truth of Jesus Christ! Be it with joy, peace, drunkenness or sorrow.

God is at the steering wheel but He is very pleasant company even if I don't know where He is taking me.

 

[Tobias]

As Spirit filled believers, we all have our default position that we go to when we turn to God. If our first encounter with God is through tithing (like my former pastor), then we expect God to minister to everybody in the same manner, and when we seek Him we may go back to that place. With this example of tithing we might do something like give offerings in the hope of seeing God show up. Others have felt God through worship, Bible reading, or church services. These are all popular methods, and things we are known to turn to to get God to grace us with His presence. And they do work!

James 4:8a Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.


So what about using spiritual drunkenness as the trigger to draw near unto God? Hmmm. I don't see why not. I firmly believe that this is something that God does in various meetings, all over the place. I know the feeling of spiritual drunkenness, and I see no reason why we could not attempt to meet God there, as compared to the solemness of certain church buildings or the radicalness of wild praise and dancing. heck, as a person who operates in the gift of teaching, I've been known to turn to that as my "in" to the presence of the Holy Spirit.

There is no one "right way" to approach God (post-salvation). Just, it is very important that we come to the Father and spend time with Him. If this is what these people are doing with the spiritual drunkenness, then I must say it's ok with me!



[Though I'm certain some of the finer applications of this system will be off base, as that seems to happen with all of us from time to time!

 

[LogosRhema]

Just follow the flow brothers. I love the secret Jesus shared with the random woman by the well. I get so excited by that age old revelation! I agree, the mode in which we draw near or enjoy His company is here nor there but everywhere.

Tho the by product is bliss, drunkenness, joy whatever you want to call it. The heart is still rejoicing in my salvation and union with my Lord thru Christ!

 

[mrmccormo]

As I watched the video and some of the subsequent videos, something came to me:

The antichrist will come with many signs and wonders and will deceive many.

I'm not saying that this man is the antichrist. I'm not saying this movement is the antichrist. I'm not even making a judgment that it is true or false.

But something the guy said really struck me: "we are going to be a generation that sees the supernatural, that sees the things of heaven, that sees miracles, that experiences the ecstasy" and so on.

Indeed, if we are a generation that sees the supernatural, that sees the things of heaven (again, not commenting on whether or not this is from God), then we are becoming a fertile field for the antichrist to come and sow his seeds. After all, if we see all these things from heaven and the antichrist comes with signs and wonders that appear to come from heaven, our generation will chase after him.

oing oing.

Just a thought.

 

[K2K]

As I watched the video and some of the subsequent videos, something came to me:

The antichrist will come with many signs and wonders and will deceive many.

I'm not saying that this man is the antichrist. I'm not saying this movement is the antichrist. I'm not even making a judgment that it is true or false.

But something the guy said really struck me: "we are going to be a generation that sees the supernatural, that sees the things of heaven, that sees miracles, that experiences the ecstasy" and so on.

Indeed, if we are a generation that sees the supernatural, that sees the things of heaven (again, not commenting on whether or not this is from God), then we are becoming a fertile field for the antichrist to come and sow his seeds. After all, if we see all these things from heaven and the antichrist comes with signs and wonders that appear to come from heaven, our generation will chase after him.

oing oing.

Just a thought.

When Elijah went to the mountain of God, he saw the fire, earthquake, and big wind, yet Elijah found God is the little wind. Whe we go to the spiritual mountain of God, we see the spiritual fire, the spiritual quaking, and the spiritual big wind, but where we really find the Lord is in the still small voice.

God does awesome and wonderful things, but we find God in the still small voice. That is where the relationship is really built. That is where the instructions come from. And it is where the wisdom and understanding comes from (see Prov 2:6).

The Anti-Christ, and his many followers (demons) have some ability to perform signs, and even talk to us. So we need to test the spirits (see 1 Jn 4:1-3). Yet you can't use this test if you can't or don't listen with your spiriutal ears.

So perhaps the anti-Christ will decieve many with signs and wonders, but he is not going to be able to decieve that elect (at least not on a regular bases, or to the point God loosing His grip on us) with those things, because the Lord's sheep hear His voice.

So enjoy the things the Lord has for you, but remember we are being lead by the voice of the Lord, and not even the signs and wonders the Lord does.

Jn 10:4 When he puts forth all his own, he goes agead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

We follow His voice, not His signs and wonders, or the feelings of peace, happiness, or drunkeness, that He might give us. That doesn't mean the signs, wonders, and feeling that He gives us are not wonderful. They are wonderful, but we still are looking to hear from Him to know where to go next.

 

[LogosRhema]

When Elijah went to the mountain of God, he saw the fire, earthquake, and big wind, yet Elijah found God is the little wind. Whe we go to the spiritual mountain of God, we see the spiritual fire, the spiritual quaking, and the spiritual big wind, but where we really find the Lord is in the still small voice.

God does awesome and wonderful things, but we find God in the still small voice. That is where the relationship is really built. That is where the instructions come from. And it is where the wisdom and understanding comes from (see Prov 2:6).

The Anti-Christ, and his many followers (demons) have some ability to perform signs, and even talk to us. So we need to test the spirits (see 1 Jn 4:1-3). Yet you can't use this test if you can't or don't listen with your spiriutal ears.

So perhaps the anti-Christ will decieve many with signs and wonders, but he is not going to be able to decieve that elect (at least not on a regular bases, or to the point God loosing His grip on us) with those things, because the Lord's sheep hear His voice.

So enjoy the things the Lord has for you, but remember we are being lead by the voice of the Lord, and not even the signs and wonders the Lord does.

Jn 10:4 When he puts forth all his own, he goes agead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

We follow His voice, not His signs and wonders, or the feelings of peace, happiness, or drunkeness, that He might give us. That doesn't mean the signs, wonders, and feeling that He gives us are not wonderful. They are wonderful, but we still are looking to hear from Him to know where to go next.

Actually doesn't the Bible say even the elect will be decieved by the anti Christ, I do know it warns that when some elect are its pretty bad.

Isaiah 26:3 NIV

You will keep in perfect peace
those whose minds are steadfast,
because they trust in you.

I do believe that there is a peace we remain in as we follow and trust the flow of the Spirit. It is NOT purely a logical experience.

But let a man be convinced in his own mind. The finished works of the cross message is quite profound. If you move away from the shallow things of looks and look for the content, might be surprised.

 

[Migdala]

Those who have seen my posts on here will know that I am Pentecostal / Charismatic. I am not one to attack Charismatic ministries.

In this thread , I would like to discuss this idea that is growing within the Charismatic movement that people should get high in the spirit. The idea is that people can be on a supernatural drug high.

I say that this is a new thing that was not a part of the original Charismatic movement and that it is not a good thing.


Disclaimer. I posted this link to a video which I believe contains a supernatural element which is not from God. I advise to pray for discernment before watching it.

MYSTIC JOHN CROWDER Exposed - Part 1 of 2 - YouTube



I have attached a poll with this thread.

This is just flat out mocking God and His Holy Spirit. And things like this are becoming so common in so many churches-I've gone to many churches that have weird manifestations happen, but nothing like this guy. He's operating strictly in the flesh! I've been reading a lot about "other spirits" and "Kundalini" and praying for discernment, because we sure need it in these end times.

 

[HIM_In_Me_In_HIM]

a prayer for this topic/tenet/teaching, and this "room":

"Holy Spirit(aka H>S>, Ruach Ha'Kodesh/Elohim, et al languages)
who teaches & testifies of all things JESUS and is not evil to lie
about or denigrate anything GOD does/says especially concerning YESHUA "the way, the truth, and the Life", please quicken us to receive The Truth on this subject of importance for all sheep of all maturity levels to be CLEARLY understood & agreed upon with ABBA, YESHUA, and YOU, the H>S> as well as with our fellowiship of BELIEVERS, that we may be Echad in all ways possible, here on earth as it is in Heaven."

Going forward, I pray we speak/write with this prayer in mind
and in faith and let GOD'S Word, Spirit, and 1st & only begotten son, Yeshua Ha'Meshiach, prevail........always.

Selah & Shalom.....