Lilly of the Valley said:This applies to everyone, christian or not, because going again that sin is real, your doubt of it being real doesn't negate the fact that it's real, so what I've previously stated is still applicable.
Lilly of the Valley said:Did I say that? No. There are some big things that people say are 'fine', but God says otherwise...
Catherineanne said:I think what you are saying is that every sin has an effect, both on the person who commits it, and on those who are in proximity to it?
I am happy to go along with that, and with the example you gave. One small sin can lead to bigger and bigger ones, until the person's moral sense is blunted to the extent that they no longer see that what they are doing is wrong.
In terms of Christian morality, however, I think it is important to learn that mankind is not divided into 'sinners' and 'non sinners'. And that we are called, not to judge the beggar stealing bread, nor the child learning from that to shoplife, but to convict ourselves of the sins of pride, avarice, gluttony; whatever.
Our Lord clearly demonstrates to us that sin is not about what 'he' or 'she' does. Sin is about what I do, and the effect that has on my relationship with God. He gives us the example of a life lived with God, and without sin, laid down for brothers and sisters, and calls us to do likewise.
Catherineanne said:If these are big things that other people are doing, they are not your concern, imo.
If they are big things that you are doing, that you think are wrong, but everyone else says are ok, then maybe you need to speak to a minister, and get some guidance on how to decide this one.
JustJack! said:You have some decent points. Unfortunately those points are soaked with your silly arrogance.
And hey, guess what, there are some things in the Bible that are just cruel, barbaric, rules that no decent person would ever follow.
JustJack! said:That is arrogance if I've ever seen it.
"I know I'm right, and even if you disagree, for whatever reason, you're still wrong and that's that!"
I've debated with you before, it's a problem I commonly have with you. You just come off as some close-minded, fundy nut.
If someone gave me that line in real life, I'ld tear em a new one, verbally, and if they got uppity with me, physically. That kind of arrogance is just infuriating.
Lilly of the Valley said:A poor beggar decides to still a loaf of bread from a shop. Unbeknownst to him, a child sees this. The child is quite young, but their parents never told them that stealing is wrong. They mimick the action of the beggar. Eventually, it becomes habit and they grow older. They have a friend who was taught it was wrong to steal, but despite it, they join their friend in their daily escapades in stores and malls. Eventually, this group of two turns into a sizable group of over ten. They progress to worse crimes from what they've seen and heard. At some point, their actions no longer feel wrong, but lawful. They come up w/ reasons why it's right and continue in their actions.
Lilly of the Valley said:sin is real, your doubt of it being real doesn't negate the fact that it's real