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A rock so big, it can't be moved.
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FrenchyBearpaw
Take time for granite.
So he could make the required space, but he could never make the rock so big he couldn't lift it?
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FrenchyBearpaw
Take time for granite.
So he's not capable of making a rock so big he couldn't lift it, no matter how large?
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Refer to
Psalm 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength,http://www.christianforums.com/#fn-descriptionAnchor-a in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
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FrenchyBearpaw
Take time for granite.
So, your god is the rock AND the strength that moves it. Apparently he's a haberdasher, a musician, and a real high tower too. GTK.
So, he is, or is not able to make it so big he couldn't lift it?
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The problem is this idea that God keeps all his agency to Himself.
God could easily create a rock so big He couldn't move it, then He could create a hole under it so that gravity moved it.
The important thing to note here is that God trusts gravity, so when the rock is to big to move, God thinks of something else.
God could easily create a rock so big He couldn't move it, then He could create a hole under it so that gravity moved it.
The important thing to note here is that God trusts gravity, so when the rock is to big to move, God thinks of something else.
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There's a contradiction between the idea of being omnipotent and being able to create anything, which is part of having all abilities.
If a being is said to be able to create anything, but is also said to have the strength, in whatever form, to manipulate any object, then there are a few actions which cannot be done by the being.
In any case, the distinction between omnipotence and great power is academic, because there's no reason for a deity to exist anyway, nor does the idea make some aspect of the physical world more predictable and understandable than another idea does. Or explain anything at all, really, in that sense.
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I don't think you are listening to what I am saying.
God could make a computer program in which you are able to lift a rock and then turn the computer off and He would have created a rock so big He couldn't lift it, because He was relying on the computer!
BUT THEN HE COULD LIFT THE COMPUTER.
God relies on humankind to understand Himself, but that doesn't mean if mankind refuses to acknowledge Him, God can't just over-ride their authority as merely men, because all He has to do is forgo trying to understand Himself.
Actually, creating rocks so big you can't lift them is quite creative and so fulfils the law that what God creates must be creative. If you had thought God would never handicap Himself in order to create something, you are quite mistaken.
Are you going to ask God for so much money you can't spend it?
God could make a computer program in which you are able to lift a rock and then turn the computer off and He would have created a rock so big He couldn't lift it, because He was relying on the computer!
BUT THEN HE COULD LIFT THE COMPUTER.
God relies on humankind to understand Himself, but that doesn't mean if mankind refuses to acknowledge Him, God can't just over-ride their authority as merely men, because all He has to do is forgo trying to understand Himself.
Actually, creating rocks so big you can't lift them is quite creative and so fulfils the law that what God creates must be creative. If you had thought God would never handicap Himself in order to create something, you are quite mistaken.
Are you going to ask God for so much money you can't spend it?
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Well, that's just something else, but as for actual objects, all that's being said is:
"There's a contradiction between the idea of being omnipotent and being able to create anything, which is part of having all abilities.
If a being is said to be able to create anything, but is also said to have the strength, in whatever form, to manipulate any object, then there are a few actions which cannot be done by the being."
But in any case, this whole discussion, and the distinction between omnipotence and great power is academic, because there's no reason for a deity to exist anyway.
And yet those two things still contradict each other.
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Actually, it does. But again the whole issue and this distinction is academic anyway, because there's no reason for there to be a deity.
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