A re-examination of nothing

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I'm sorry but how old are you and what country do you live in? Is that why you talk/type the way you do?

If it doesn't have to do with your age or country is there anyway you could talk/type where it can be understood more easily as to what you are saying and meaning.

Thanks, and I hope I haven't offended you.

This bes its speak. To not offend, do not point and comment and make an issue of it. It has not complained about how you write. If anything bes unclear simply request clarification and we will be happy to oblige.

its age and dwelling bes immaterial here and would only create unnecessary strife to divulge.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

And, for the I don't how many times, verse 27 says therefore also, as I pointed out in the last post about this.

thought the description bes the description of how being given over MANIFESTED IN them ... not REASONS WHY they bes given over....

input?

it would like to analyse but it has specific difficulties reading that passage. it cannot read it without being ... affected in ways that would make coherent posting impossible.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

No argument with the statement in red as it knows levels of that far beyond what bes debated here. To the point where it feels applying that label to homosexuality bes the equivalent of applying the label of murder to accidentally knocking someone over with a bicycle on the sidewalk.

However, all such considerations of "degree" or "type" aside, it bes mystified why some consider the spiritual equivalent of disease (affliction) to be "offensive". Do we consider those with cancer or heart failure or leukemia or Lou Gehrig's disease or leprosy or mono or the pox or whatnot to be "offensive"? Or do we pity (not in the "pity-party" sense but in the compassion sense) them their plight and pray for their recovery?

Reposting, because it HATESY when ppls takes its most important points and use them as springboard for pointless derailing to nitpick at its speak (vernacular). For crying out loud, use something trivial and insignificant for that, not the most important thing brought up!! That just makes other ppls blip over it thinking it has been addressed. The above question has NOT been addressed. So once again:

Why [do] some consider the spiritual equivalent of disease (affliction) to be "offensive"??? Do we consider those with cancer or heart failure or leukemia or Lou Gehrig's disease or leprosy or mono or the pox or whatnot to be "offensive"? Or do we pity (not in the "pity-party" sense but in the compassion sense) them their plight and pray for their recovery? ​

 

[Floatingaxe]

Not possible. You can't read the Scripture with the Holy Spirit's eyes when reading a proven false/erroneous translation. Next?

That is a falsehood. My bible is not a false translation. Your interpretation is self-serving. The Holy Spirit tells me what is true and right and good.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Don't know what you bes banging on about stringdiddler but this one bes no "puppet". This bes its primary account and the only one it has ever used on this section of the board. Ad hominem does not win debates in intelligent company, BTW.

 

[Floatingaxe]

At this point we bes going way off topic because your soteriology bes flawed and toxic. You speak of things only God can do as things humans bes "supposed to" do themselves. If this truly bes one's kink then they bes unregenerate themselves, seeking to establish their own righteousness and having not received the righteousness of JC. (Use of initials for respect, BTW, not disrespect as some have tried to falsely claim. This one should not write the name of the Holiest; it would be unseemly.)

It will not derail the thread with a full exposition on the difference between the subtle legalisms inherent in toxic soteriology and its skewed views of "justification" vs. "sanctification", "forensic" salvation versus "obedience", etc. but suffice it to say human wordings always givesy away them positions. Any what phrases it as a product of human effort or a requirement of human execution bes thereby demonstrating they have never known the True Walking in the Spirit in which bes not fulfilled the lusts of the flesh. For none having ever walked there even one hour would ever fail again to recognize the difference.

Oh that it might be delivered and walk there again ....

You unfortunately forgot verses 4 and 5 in this passage which finish out the FULL thought being expressed here:

4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

It would be patently absurd to retrogressively invoke a wrath which Creator has already dealt with by placing the burden of the sins of the entire world, past, present and future, upon JC, and in fact did He so -- according to verse 5 -- even when all ppls STILL BES in the place described by verses 1-3. No wonder you bes so frustrated and labor in vain, friend. You have the form of godliness but not the power thereof. You strain to illuminate the wrath already past and dealt with and fail to grasp the love that makes it so. You resolve your considerations under condemnation and doom and do not move on from there into Good News. Your consistent striving at verbal and literary exclusions of a segment of the population whom you deem unworthy from HEARING the Good News, strikes Moriah similar to them Pharisees whats shutsy the Gate to the Kingdom in ppls faces, not permitting them to enter neither entering themselves. It appears you will not permit yourself to move out of wrath and fear into resting in perfect love, so you will not permit others that either. How sad.

Unless you speak proper English, I will not be reading this affected mess.

 

[davedjy]

You unfortunately forgot verses 4 and 5 in this passage which finish out the FULL thought being expressed here:

4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
It would be patently absurd to retrogressively invoke a wrath which Creator has already dealt with by placing the burden of the sins of the entire world, past, present and future, upon JC, and in fact did He so -- according to verse 5 -- even when all ppls STILL BES in the place described by verses 1-3. No wonder you bes so frustrated and labor in vain, friend. You have the form of godliness but not the power thereof. You strain to illuminate the wrath already past and dealt with and fail to grasp the love that makes it so. You resolve your considerations under condemnation and doom and do not move on from there into Good News. Your consistent striving at verbal and literary exclusions of a segment of the population whom you deem unworthy from HEARING the Good News, strikes Moriah similar to them Pharisees whats shutsy the Gate to the Kingdom in ppls faces, not permitting them to enter neither entering themselves. It appears you will not permit yourself to move out of wrath and fear into resting in perfect love, so you will not permit others that either. How sad.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

That is a falsehood. My bible is not a false translation. Your interpretation is self-serving. The Holy Spirit tells me what is true and right and good.

The Holy Spirit tells this one that you bes not listening to the real Holy Spirit.

"My imaginary friend can beat up YOUR imaginary friend."

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I have God's viewpoint. Children of the King always take on the King's view. It is stupid not to. We aren;t His ambassadors out there pushing our own views on things. No, we love Him and represent Him in all things. It's our job.

God bes not the author of confusion, but of peace.

 

[davedjy]

That is a falsehood. My bible is not a false translation. Your interpretation is self-serving. The Holy Spirit tells me what is true and right and good.

You have a lot to learn if you think you can actually refute translations by merely calling them self-serving.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Unless you speak proper English, I will not be reading this affected mess.

Suit yourself, the post still stands though. Bes you treating them whats over in America from another country this fashion also?

At this point it bears repeating, we thinksy. We will put the parts that do not include itspeak in BLUE for your ease of access (except for Bible verses) ....

Some of you used to be like that. But now the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the power of God's Spirit have washed you and made you holy and acceptable to God.

When one comes to Jesus Christ, one is supposed to regenerate and walk in holiness. When one refuses, he is walking in disobedience.

At this point we go way off topic because your soteriology above outs itself as flawed and toxic. You speak of things only God can do as if things humans "supposed to" do themselves. If this truly bes one's kink then they bes unregenerate themselves, seeking to establish their own righteousness and having not received the righteousness of JC. (Use of initials for respect, BTW, not disrespect as some have tried to falsely claim. This one should not write the name of the Holiest; it would be unseemly.)

It will not derail the thread with a full exposition on the difference between the subtle legalisms inherent in toxic soteriology and its skewed views of "justification" vs. "sanctification", "forensic" salvation versus "obedience", etc. but suffice it to say human language always gives away one's position. Any who phrase these matters as a product of human effort or a requirement of human execution thereby demonstrates they have never known the True Walking in the Spirit in which one fulfills NOT the lusts of the flesh. For none having ever walked there even one hour would ever fail again to recognize the difference.

Ephesians 2:1-3
In the past you were dead because you sinned and fought against God. You followed the ways of this world and obeyed the devil. He rules the world, and his spirit has power over everyone who doesn't obey God. Once we were also ruled by the selfish desires of our bodies and minds. We had made God angry, and we were going to be punished like everyone else.

You unfortunately forgot verses 4 and 5 in this passage which finish out the FULL thought being expressed here:

4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

It would be patently absurd to retrogressively invoke a wrath which Creator has already dealt with by placing the burden of the sins of the entire world, past, present and future, upon JC, and in fact did He so -- according to verse 5 -- even when all people still existed in the place described by verses 1-3. No wonder you feel so frustrated and labor in vain, friend. You have the form of godliness but not the power thereof. You strain to illuminate the wrath already past and dealt with and fail to grasp the love that makes it so.

You resolve your considerations under condemnation and doom and do not move on from there into Good News. Your consistent striving at verbal and literary exclusions of a segment of the population whom you deem unworthy from HEARING the Good News, strikes Moriah similar to them Pharisees who shut the Gate to the Kingdom in peoples' faces, not permitting them to enter neither entering themselves. It appears you will not permit yourself to move out of wrath and fear into resting in perfect love, so you will not permit others that either. How sad.

there -- a few tweaks and there bes very little you need refuse to read here. everything in blue constitutes your version of "proper English" so your excuse for blowing off REALITY has hereby been removed.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You have a lot to learn if you think you can actually refute translations by merely calling them self-serving.

You have a lot to learn if you think that you can manipulate Scripture to make it say what you want. God has a say in that in the end.

Homosexuals who are actively engaging in their perversion rather than maintaining celibacy before the Lord have NO credibility with the Body of Christ as long as they continue to argue for their perverse lifestyles.

 

[davedjy]

You would have to prove I have manipulated something, and you haven't done that.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

oh good, the report bug bes fixed. we seesy them yellow triangles again. less confusion that way.

 

[davedjy]

Homosexuals have NO credibility with the Body of Christ as long as they continue to argue for their perverse lifestyles.

A "lifestyle" not even mentioned in the Bible, nor gays or lesbians, yet you wish to say gays and lesbians are not credible in the Body of Christ? that is pretty ironic.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Paul says it so much better:

Romans 6
Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? 2 Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it? 3 Or have you forgotten that when we were joined with Christ Jesus in baptism, we joined him in his death? 4 For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.

5 Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was. 6 We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin. 7 For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin. 8 And since we died with Christ, we know we will also live with him. 9 We are sure of this because Christ was raised from the dead, and he will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him. 10 When he died, he died once to break the power of sin. But now that he lives, he lives for the glory of God. 11 So you also should consider yourselves to be dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus.
12 Do not let sin control the way you live; do not give in to sinful desires. 13 Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God. 14 Sin is no longer your master, for you no longer live under the requirements of the law. Instead, you live under the freedom of God’s grace.
15 Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! 16 Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. 17 Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. 18 Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living.
19 Because of the weakness of your human nature, I am using the illustration of slavery to help you understand all this. Previously, you let yourselves be slaves to impurity and lawlessness, which led ever deeper into sin. Now you must give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living so that you will become holy. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the obligation to do right. 21 And what was the result? You are now ashamed of the things you used to do, things that end in eternal doom. 22 But now you are free from the power of sin and have become slaves of God. Now you do those things that lead to holiness and result in eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Floatingaxe]

A "lifestyle" not even mentioned in the Bible, nor gays or lesbians, yet you wish to say gays and lesbians are not credible in the Body of Christ? that is pretty ironic.

No, they are not, because they place their idol before a God who wants to free them of it.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

in re post #176 above...

But that freedom does not come from bondage to interminable and futile behavioral-modification programs for the flesh called "religion". That freedom comes from walking in the Spirit where the lusts of the flesh bes not fulfilled.

 

[Floatingaxe]

in re post #176 above...

But that freedom does not come from bondage to interminable and futile behavioral-modification programs for the flesh called "religion". That freedom comes from walking in the Spirit where the lusts of the flesh bes not fulfilled.

Correct. Homosexuals do not do that. Hence, they are walking in the flesh and not in the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[savedandhappy1]

It doesn't matter, "therefore" and "for this cause" are BOTH referring to worshiping the graven images, you have the verse numbers and the connection confused.

The verse says "Therefore also", which changes everything as I have shown from the Greek meanings many times.

The best translation for what? I believe the KJV uses "abusers of themselves with mankind" which still is an inaccurate, faulty translation. If I said the KJV is the most accurate, I probably meant it as in general with the whole Bible. I never said that the KJV is 100% accurate, as it has been proven to not be.

So which translation has God, who is all powerful and more than able to protect His word, kept 100% accurate in your opinion?

Generalization. What you are finding is that there are liberals who don't agree with mainstream Christianity or believe in the Bible at all, so of course, they don't believe that Jesus is God. Follow that up with the fact that they don't believe that homosexuality is sin, but why would they believe that to start if they don't agree with Christian doctrine?

Are you trying to say that homosexuals are embracing the idea that Jesus isn't God or making some correlation?

So now you are saying that even tho they profess to be Christians while denying the Bible and so many other things they really aren't?

Sorry, seems to be more confusion to me. Can you explain better please.

Just got back from the hospital and hear the ambulance out again so could be awhile before I can respond to any post to me.