A re-examination of nothing

[tulc]

Also, why did God tell the man to sell his posessions? Wasn't it because it kept him from totally surrendering to the Lord? Wasn't it because money/wealth was his god? We should look at that whole scripture in context, which shows us that the man was following all the commandments, so he ask what else he needed to do to be born again. We notice then that he was told to sell all his possessions and follow Jesus. The man then walk away very sad because he was very rich. The scriptures tell us that you can't worship money/wealth and God, because you will hate one and love the other. So to this man his wealth was a form of idolatry, which then leds to other sins as we are told many times in the Bible. The biggest problem is the separation it causes between God and him/us.

...so that means you don't have to sell all and follow? How do you figure which scriptures you obey and which are only for certain people? That's always confused me.
tulc(just curious)

 

[davedjy]

It is so very foolish to hinge one's whole life and lifestyle on one's personal interpretation of one or two verses which go against the majority of scholarly interpretation.

What a waste. Everything that one gleans from the word of God is therefore tainted by that erroneous understanding.

A homosexual who believes this crap has put all his/her eggs in one basket and is now hanging everything on the premise that God is pleased with his/her exigesis. He's not. He hates it. He withdraws from such people. They are out of step with Jesus Christ and Christianity and have become apostatic.

The arguments presented with all the fancy lingo mean NOTHING. They are fabrications and manipulations, and any normal Christian, from newbie to mature, can see through the lies.

May God have some mercy on you.

You keep repeating yourself that it's "fabrications and manipulations", but we have yet to see you prove this or be specific.

You claim to be one so mature in Christ, yet you don't ever prove your argument, you just make blanket statements.

Many Christians I deal with and/or have talked to would never call a gay or lesbian "Apostate", (even if they disagree with the lifestyle), and have been Church leadership and/or Christians longer than you have.

One of my favorite quotes:

"If you are wondering why there are so many unforgiving, self-righteous, finger-pointing, stone-casting,
grace-denying, judgmental, and divisive 'Christians,' it's because they haven't yet discovered JESUS."

 

[Floatingaxe]

You keep repeating yourself that it's "fabrications and manipulations", but we have yet to see you prove this or be specific.

You claim to be one so mature in Christ, yet you don't ever prove your argument, you just make blanket statements.

Many Christians I deal with and/or have talked to would never call a gay or lesbian "Apostate", (even if they disagree with the lifestyle), and have been Church leadership and/or Christians longer than you have.

Oh well. How long, then...as if years mean anything. I know young people under twenty who have more spiritual strength and depth and knowledge than you.


Any Christian who hasn't a problem with homosexuality in the Body of Christ, is weak. A truly born again, regenerated and growing Christian will not be accepting of homosexuality or any of their bogus arguments for it.

 

[tulc]

Any Christian who hasn't a problem with homosexuality in the Body of Christ, is weak.

...or just of a different opinion?
tulc(just thought it should be pointed out)

 

[davedjy]

I have posted more then once the Greek break down of verse 27, where we see that He "therefore also gave them up too", so see no reason to post it one more time.

The KJV says:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause

Verse 23 connects the dot for you. It says that they worshiped graven images, which is why they were given up. Never does it say they were given over to complete spiritual ruin because of homosexuality.

Nope no strawman, just what I see being done daily in DoH as I posted.

It is a straw man because your argument relies on the notion that I am saying the Scriptures are wrong! Never did I say the Scriptures are wrong, I said that the interpretation you and others bring are wrong, and I said there is a false translation in 1 Tim and 1 Cor.

I didn't even bother to mention how some believe that Jesus didn't raise from the dead, and so many other comments/belief used to discredit the Bible so that................nm

What is the point in bringing that red herring argument here? Did I say that Jesus didn't raise from the dead? Did I discredit the Bible, or bring different interpretations of the passages?

Never did I try to "discredit the Bible", I only try to discredit your interpretations of these passages of Scripture.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Your interpretations are wrong, and self-serving. I utterly reject them as tampering with the word of God to conform to your agenda. Transparent.

 

[davedjy]

Oh well. How long, then...as if years mean anything. I know young people under twenty who have more spiritual strength and depth and knowledge than you.

YOU do not have any clue of my knowledge, spiritual strength and depth, so don't even pretend to believe you do! Regardless, you only bring this up because you cannot properly debate me, so you bring on more personal arguments that don't lend any credibility to yourself.

You pretend to be able to judge ALL of my strengths and knowledges from one topic, yet you cannot even debate me properly on ONE subtopic here. How ironic!

Any Christian who hasn't a problem with homosexuality in the Body of Christ, is weak. A truly born again, regenerated and growing Christian will not be accepting of homosexuality or any of their bogus arguments for it.

More generalizations without any proof.

 

[davedjy]

Your interpretations are wrong, and self-serving. I utterly reject them as tampering with the word of God to conform to your agenda. Transparent.

Prove they are wrong, be specific.

The only thing "transparent" is the fact that you haven't proved anything is wrong.

 

[Floatingaxe]

YOU do not have any clue of my knowledge, spiritual strength and depth, so don't even pretend to believe you do! Regardless, you only bring this up because you cannot properly debate me, so you bring on more personal arguments that don't lend any credibility to yourself. Judging another individual the way you do, speaks volumes about your own strengths and depths. Most don't dream to stoop to that level.

More generalizations without any proof...how surprising.

According to Scripture, I call it as He sees it. If you are living as a homosexual, you are living a life based around a perversion which is detestable to God, and how do you think that you please Him in all you do? How can you have an intimate relationship with Him when the Holy Spirit is constantly grieved? It is impossible.

Be reconciled to God throgh Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 4:17-31
With the Lord’s authority I say this: Live no longer as the Gentiles do, for they are hopelessly confused. Their minds are full of darkness; they wander far from the life God gives because they have closed their minds and hardened their hearts against him. They have no sense of shame. They live for lustful pleasure and eagerly practice every kind of impurity.

But that isn’t what you learned about Christ. Since you have heard about Jesus and have learned the truth that comes from him, throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception. Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes. Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy.
So stop telling lies. Let us tell our neighbors the truth, for we are all parts of the same body. And “don’t sin by letting anger control you.” Don’t let the sun go down while you are still angry, for anger gives a foothold to the devil.
If you are a thief, quit stealing. Instead, use your hands for good hard work, and then give generously to others in need. Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them.
And do not bring sorrow to God’s Holy Spirit by the way you live. Remember, he has identified you as his own, guaranteeing that you will be saved on the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage, anger, harsh words, and slander, as well as all types of evil behavior. Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you.

 

[davedjy]

According to Scripture, I call it as He sees it. If you are living as a homosexual, you are living a life based around a perversion which is detestable to God, and how do you think that you please Him in all you do? How can you have an intimate relationship with Him when the Holy Spirit is constantly grieved? It is impossible.

Be reconciled to God throgh Jesus Christ.

You are calling it as you see it, claiming to speak for God with your own personal biases and anti-gay religious agenda.
The Holy Spirit is grieved by a judgmental, religious spirit.

Romans 2: You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You are calling it as you see it, claiming to speak for God with your own personal biases and anti-gay religious agenda.
The Holy Spirit is grieved by a judgmental, religious spirit.

Romans 2: You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?.

1 Corinthians 5:12
It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.



Unless you declare yourself an outsider, you will continue to receive responses urging repentance and reconciliation to God, as the Lord requires us to give.

 

[davedjy]

1 Corinthians 5:12
It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.



Unless you declare yourself an outsider, you will continue to receive responses urging repentance and reconciliation to God, as the Lord requires us to give.

Off topic for this thread, and you are not supposed to make any personal statements.

I would quote some Scripture for you, but it is off topic, and we are not supposed to make personal statements.
I've asked you repeatedly to stop bringing my personal walk with God here, and I know that you cannot claim to know it, anyways.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Off topic for this thread, and you are not supposed to make any personal statements.

I would quote some Scripture for you, but it is off topic, and we are not supposed to make personal statements.
I've asked you repeatedly to stop bringing my personal walk with God here, and I know that you cannot claim to know it, anyways.

"Yourself" as in general. I am addressing all homosexuals who call themselves Christians here.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Who the heck is "it"?

Apparently what bes standsy in the way of having a productive conversation. THIS bes "IT". It does not care for human pronouns as it does not experience consciousness the same way those pronouns reflect. OK?

Its configuratus bes anatta. In simple language, it does not experience having what your species terms a "self".

Now how about addressing its post instead of its speak.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Apparently what bes standsy in the way of having a productive conversation. THIS bes "IT". It does not care for human pronouns as it does not experience consciousness the same way those pronouns reflect. OK?

Now how about addressing its post instead of its speak.

You've got to be kidding. "Standsy"? LOL!

Human? I read you loud and clear.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

If I even had a bias, it is identical to that of God.

This seems a rather presumptuous statement to make, as well as indicative of a possible difficulty discerning products of your own mind from products of inspiration. A deadly path to be walking, and all the worse when one knowsy not nor can name the contours of one's captivity.

When it bes so permitted and able, it will pray for you, FA.

 

[davedjy]

"Yourself" as in general. I am addressing all homosexuals who call themselves Christians here.

No...

I know young people under twenty who have more spiritual strength and depth and knowledge than you.

This all, because I claim to be gay/bisexual, you make an uneducated judgment.

 

[Floatingaxe]

When it bes so permitted and able, it will pray for you, FA.

It is not permitted, thanks. He doesn't hear It.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

There isn't anything less offensive. Perverse sexual bondage is just that. There is no whitewashing it to assuage your tender sensibilities.

No argument with the statement in red as it knows levels of that far beyond what bes debated here. To the point where it feels applying that label to homosexuality bes the equivalent of applying the label of murder to accidentally knocking someone over with a bicycle on the sidewalk.

However, all such considerations of "degree" or "type" aside, it bes mystified why some consider the spiritual equivalent of disease (affliction) to be "offensive". Do we consider those with cancer or heart failure or leukemia or Lou Gehrig's disease or leprosy or mono or the pox or whatnot to be "offensive"? Or do we pity (not in the "pity-party" sense but in the compassion sense) them their plight and pray for their recovery?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

It is not permitted, thanks. He doesn't hear It.

Ah, that bes where you bes wrong.

But it bes curious to know why you would make such a statement. What prompts you to make a claim that God does not hear Moriah's prayers?