A re-examination of nothing

[Floatingaxe]

again... if you were mistaken, how would you ever know if you refuse to countenance any oposing points of view?

How do you know God isn't trying to show you how you are in error through Davedj?

I know God and I know His Word. He uses the Word to teach me, plus He uses Godly teachers and leaders that He has placed in my life to teach me. I have been at this a LOOOOONG time, my dear. I am not mistaken...

 

[Floatingaxe]

What do you mean? I trust God's word as I understand it absolutely.

Further more, my understanding of God's word is not marred by all the implicet errors and self contradictions implicit in a literalist reading.

That is a ridiculous couple of statements. You stand in judgment of God's Word from the standpoint of not understanding it or believing it.

We are to accept it even when it is hard to understand, and when it is in places, we are supposed to ask the Holy Spirit to speak to us about whay He is saying...when we do that, we see clearly that there are no contradictions or errors.

 

[davedjy]

Professing that scripture is mistranslated in the one area that affects one's personal lifestyle is very indicative of agenda.

God's word is sufficiently translated for all of us. Picking it apart because one dislikes the message is a futile practice. In the end, you will have nothing but an argument with God, and you will lose.

I am often reminded of
1 Timothy 6:4
Anyone who teaches something different is arrogant and lacks understanding. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, division, slander, and evil suspicions.

God's Word has not been consistently translated. Prove that it has, and you might actually have an argument.
This link does not lie:

http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/gaytrans.html

Until then, calling one's lifestyle satanic or a Satanic evil agenda, does not prove anything.


I don't have an argument with God, a loving God does not discriminate.

 

[Floatingaxe]

God's Word has not been consistently translated. Prove that it has, and you might actually have an argument.
This link does not lie:

http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/gaytrans.html

Until then, calling one's lifestyle satanic or a Satanic evil agenda, does not prove anything.


I don't have an argument with God, a loving God does not discriminate.

I don't open up biased links. That's just silly.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

or genocide?

yes yes and yes.

 

[davedjy]

I don't open up biased links. That's just silly.

The link shows all the different ways 1 Cor. 6:9 have been translated by the different versions of the Bible. Not biased, try again.

The link is biased before even reading the information? THAT is silly. Under your radar, anything that is pro-gay will immediately be deemed "biased" or, given a satanic evil agenda label. That isn't even debating OR making credible points here.

I have been at this a LOOOOONG time, my dear. I am not mistaken...

If you've been at this such a long time, why is that you still aren't making any credible debate points? Labeling information as biased (esp. before reading it) and Satanic agenda, aren't proper debate rebuttals.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I am not judgmental ...

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Professing that scripture is mistranslated in the one area that affects one's personal lifestyle is very indicative of agenda.

God's word is sufficiently translated for all of us. Picking it apart because one dislikes the message is a futile practice. In the end, you will have nothing but an argument with God, and you will lose.

I am often reminded of
1 Timothy 6:4
Anyone who teaches something different is arrogant and lacks understanding. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, division, slander, and evil suspicions.

declaring other people to be satanic agenda pushers is equally indicative of agenda

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I don't open up biased links. That's just silly.

yep, if you go looking at ALL the evidence, you might find out you were mistaken in your original conclusion!

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

That is a ridiculous couple of statements. You stand in judgment of God's Word from the standpoint of not understanding it or believing it.

We are to accept it even when it is hard to understand, and when it is in places, we are supposed to ask the Holy Spirit to speak to us about whay He is saying...when we do that, we see clearly that there are no contradictions or errors.

Only by the use of reason are there no contradictions or errors.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

That is a ridiculous couple of statements. You stand in judgment of God's Word from the standpoint of not understanding it or believing it.

We are to accept it even when it is hard to understand, and when it is in places, we are supposed to ask the Holy Spirit to speak to us about whay He is saying...when we do that, we see clearly that there are no contradictions or errors.

The Holy Spirit speaks to me and tells me to apply logic and science to my understanding of scripture... my way there are no contradictions. My way doesn't ionvolve bigotry and hatred of minorities. My way doesn't involve making contradictory statements like "all secular scientists lie" and then a few pages later "I trust doctors to discover anti-biotics in accordance with God's word". My way of interpreting scripture does not rely on a massive conspiracy theory amongst secular scientists and academics to make it coherent.

Mine's sounding pretty good don't you think?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

The Holy Spirit speaks to me and tells me to apply logic and science to my understanding of scripture... my way there are no contradictions. My way doesn't ionvolve bigotry and hatred of minorities. My way doesn't involve making contradictory statements like "all secular scientists lie" and then a few pages later "I trust doctors to discover anti-biotics in accordance with God's word". My way of interpreting scripture does not rely on a massive conspiracy theory amongst secular scientists and academics to make it coherent.

Mine's sounding pretty good don't you think?

not really.

 

[Der Alte]

The Holy Spirit speaks to me and tells me to apply logic and science to my understanding of scripture... my way there are no contradictions. My way doesn't ionvolve bigotry and hatred of minorities. My way doesn't involve making contradictory statements like "all secular scientists lie" and then a few pages later "I trust doctors to discover anti-biotics in accordance with God's word". My way of interpreting scripture does not rely on a massive conspiracy theory amongst secular scientists and academics to make it coherent.

Mine's sounding pretty good don't you think?

Joseph Smith, John Thomas, Charles Russell, R.E. McAlister, Herbert Armstrong, Jim Jones, David Koresh, et alia. What do these guys and you have in common? They all told their followers the same thing you said in this post. Hey, would the last guy in line of "I got the only true truth, interpretation of scripture," hold up your hand, we got another one.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII

I do trust the word of God. Absolutely.

I don’t think you do, I think I do.

I think its YOU who works on feelings and wishful thinking.

No I think you work on feelings and wishful thinking and I go by the Holy Spirit and the word of God.

So, come up with a proof for which one of us is right, and which is wrong?

No you come up with a response.

My post #825 to you was why your comment about David and Jonathan being gay lovers could not be correct as David was attracted to women by their naked bodies to sleep with them, which is heterosexual not homosexual.Yet you have ignored it and continued making your claims. It would be good if we could establish your acceptance of your remark being incorrect.
Then let me repeat my question as I think its crucial to the debate…
So let me also ask you if David loved Jonathan more than any woman and David isn't recorded as sleeping with Jonathan like he did with women, what do you think love means. Consider in your response that David loved jonathan as himself and Jesus affirms God's purpose to love our neighbour as ourself, so is Jesus asking us to sleep with everyone?

Now following this you wrote..

The Holy Spirit speaks to me and tells me to apply logic and science to my understanding of scripture... my way there are no contradictions.

The problem I have with your claim here is that the Holy Spirit reminds us of all Jesus said and did (John 14) and as on this topic you are speaking against what Jesus said and did in favour of your logic and science this clearly can’t be the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit I know is the Spirit of God, He isn’t someone one can influence to one’s own way of thinking.

My way doesn't ionvolve bigotry and hatred of minorities.

Well I wouldn’t say a view is bigotry and hatred of minorities, I don’t hate Muslims, I have friends who are Muslims, yet I reject their religion. But if you do think it is bigotry and hatred so be it, its ‘no skin off my nose’, perhaps if we looked at it the same way we would claim your views as bigotry and hatred of Christian minorities and the word of God.

 

[Floatingaxe]

The link shows all the different ways 1 Cor. 6:9 have been translated by the different versions of the Bible. Not biased, try again.

The link is biased before even reading the information? THAT is silly. Under your radar, anything that is pro-gay will immediately be deemed "biased" or, given a satanic evil agenda label. That isn't even debating OR making credible points here.

If you've been at this such a long time, why is that you still aren't making any credible debate points? Labeling information as biased (esp. before reading it) and Satanic agenda, aren't proper debate rebuttals.

Even a moron could see by the address that the site has a huge bias. No thanks. I keep to the Word of God for my understanding of truth. Once the Holy Spirit reveals it, one needs to hold to it and not dilute it.

I hold to the charge that there is a huge agenda among us. In fact, I remember watching a program a few years ago where there was an interview with a homosexual rights activist and he openly and proudly admitted that there was an agenda to change society. So far, so good for them...but there will always be a fight coming from the righteous n Christ. We have been far to apathetic in the past, but the heat is on in these last days.

 

[Floatingaxe]

declaring other people to be satanic agenda pushers is equally indicative of agenda

The perfect "agenda" of Jesus Christ is what we put forth.

Jesus wants to save us from our sin and have us live pure and peaceable lives in His power.

Where is the purity and the peaceable nature to the lifestyles of homosexuals? They are impure in their relationships and certainly not peaceable regarding their relationships with the Body of Christ---they antagonize her by living in open disobedience and flaunting sin before her.

 

[Floatingaxe]

The Holy Spirit speaks to me and tells me to apply logic and science to my understanding of scripture... my way there are no contradictions. My way doesn't ionvolve bigotry and hatred of minorities. My way doesn't involve making contradictory statements like "all secular scientists lie" and then a few pages later "I trust doctors to discover anti-biotics in accordance with God's word". My way of interpreting scripture does not rely on a massive conspiracy theory amongst secular scientists and academics to make it coherent.

Mine's sounding pretty good don't you think?

No it doesn't. You appear to not rely on the Holy Spirit at all for your understanding because it goes against God and His Word.

 

[Brieuse]

No it doesn't. You appear to not rely on the Holy Spirit at all for your understanding because it goes against God and His Word.

explain

 

[Floatingaxe]

explain

Anyone who knows God and His Word knows when someone is espousing something that is not agreeable to God and His ways.

No further explanation should be required.

 

[Brieuse]

Anyone who knows God and His Word knows when someone is espousing something that is not agreeable to God and His ways.

No further explanation should be required.

Not good enough.

You said her comment goes against God's Word. Explain.