A re-examination of nothing

[EnemyPartyII]

Dear EnemyPartyII,
Thats better thanks.
What reasoning have you that Johnathan and David were gay lovers?
Consider that David had more than one wife. Consider also 2 Samuel 11. "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, "Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?" Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her."
Now thats the definition of a heterosexual, so David and Jonathan couldnt have been gay lovers because David wasnt gay.
So let me also ask you if David loved Jonathan more than any woman and David isn't recorded as sleeping with Jonathan like he did with women, what do you think love means. Consider in your response that David loved jonathan as himself and Jesus affirms God's purpose to love our neighbour as ourself, so is Jesus asking us to sleep with everyone?

OK, so David was either a bisexual, or a repressed homosexual... Bible says his love for Jonathon was greater than any love man has for woman... sounds kinda gay to me

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Dear EnemyPartyII,
Thats better thanks.
What reasoning have you that Johnathan and David were gay lovers?
Consider that David had more than one wife. Consider also 2 Samuel 11. "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, "Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?" Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her."
Now thats the definition of a heterosexual, so David and Jonathan couldnt have been gay lovers because David wasnt gay.
So let me also ask you if David loved Jonathan more than any woman and David isn't recorded as sleeping with Jonathan like he did with women, what do you think love means. Consider in your response that David loved jonathan as himself and Jesus affirms God's purpose to love our neighbour as ourself, so is Jesus asking us to sleep with everyone?

Jesus is asking us to sleep with the person we love, regardless of gender

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII,

OK, so David was either a bisexual, or a repressed homosexual...

Ok so David was a heterosexual because it says he desired and slept with women, not men. What is your definition of homosexual and heterosexual again?

Bible says his love for Jonathon was greater than any love man has for woman... sounds kinda gay to me

My love for Jesus is greater than that for my wife, but I am not gay, that’s sounds kind of Christian to me.

Jesus is asking us to sleep with the person we love, regardless of gender

No He isn’t, where did you think you see Him teaching that?
Where do you get all these ideas from?

 

[savedandhappy1]

Dear EnemyPartyII,
Thats better thanks.
What reasoning have you that Johnathan and David were gay lovers?
Consider that David had more than one wife. Consider also 2 Samuel 11. "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, "Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?" Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her."
Now thats the definition of a heterosexual, so David and Jonathan couldnt have been gay lovers because David wasnt gay.
So let me also ask you if David loved Jonathan more than any woman and David isn't recorded as sleeping with Jonathan like he did with women, what do you think love means. Consider in your response that David loved jonathan as himself and Jesus affirms God's purpose to love our neighbour as ourself, so is Jesus asking us to sleep with everyone?

 

[savedandhappy1]

OK, so David was either a bisexual, or a repressed homosexual... Bible says his love for Jonathon was greater than any love man has for woman... sounds kinda gay to me

So a man can't love a woman and it have nothing to do with sexual feelings or feelings of a mate/lover? (or woman and man)

 

[Floatingaxe]

so... you accept that there are cases where it is right to decide people are innocent where the Bible says they are guilty?

Just like homosexuals.

Case closed.

No case at all.

When a sinner openly defies God and has no remorse and instead glorifies his/her sin, openly practicing it proudly and brazenly before the watching world and God Himself--they are plainly guilty. It's a no-brainer.

In fact, it reveals a state of unregeneration and an insensitivity to the promptings of the Holy Spirit which a believer always receives from God in order to maintain a relationship with Him.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You do not speak for Paul, and Paul does not mention anything about a gay or lesbian being in "dire peril of hell".

At the time of Paul's letters there were names for people who did homosexual acts (arrenomanes, kinaidos, paiderastes, paidophthoro, pallakos and others). Paul never used these words in his letters!

The sad thing about YOUR interpretation is it gives endorsement to an idea that God would discriminate against people with an unchangeable sexual orientation.

As God and Paul were very clear about homosexuality keepng people from the Kingdom of heaven, it is obvious that the sin of homosexuality is not an "orientation" that is unchangeable! That is ridiculous. With God, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

To accept the lie that something unnatural is somehoew natural and even good, is to fulfill the scripture:

Isaiah 5:20
You are headed for trouble! You say wrong is right, darkness is light, and bitter is sweet.


Since Adam, we have all had the ability to know right from wrong. Homosexuals who also claim redemption have a major blind spot....it is an area of unregeneration by holding fast to sin that they have failed to repent of.


Romans 1:32
They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

 

[Floatingaxe]

the whole bit about Jonathon and David. They were gay lovers or I'm a pink tank

It is a slap in God's face to continue to insist that David, who was a man after God's own heart, had an impure relationship with his friend, Jonathan.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Jesus is asking us to sleep with the person we love, regardless of gender

Prove that one using the authority of Scripture!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

No case at all.

When a sinner openly defies God and has no remorse and instead glorifies his/her sin, openly practicing it proudly and brazenly before the watching world and God Himself--they are plainly guilty. It's a no-brainer.

In fact, it reveals a state of unregeneration and an insensitivity to the promptings of the Holy Spirit which a believer always receives from God in order to maintain a relationship with Him.

Moriah bes doomed.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Can I ask all posters please to either come up with, and discuss scriptures that countenance same-sex sex only. Please do not discuss the scriptures already put forward as condemning same-sex sex such as 1 Cor 6, Romans 1, Lev 18 & 20 etc. These have already been presented and discussed at length on other threads.

I think the arguments should be made using reason. Posting bits of scripture is pretty useless because both sides are agreeing with scripture- but interpreting it differently.

 

[*Starlight*]

It seems to me that tulc has already won the whole thread in the second post.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I think the arguments should be made using reason. Posting bits of scripture is pretty useless because both sides are agreeing with scripture- but interpreting it differently.

Reasoning is the most useless tactic. It is the homosexual side that is using it, and it fails miserably. It is only through the speaking of the Holy Spirit to a person's mind and spirit that any understanding can be gained in this issue.

 

[Sprockets]

You guys do realize that there are homosexuals out there that will be reading these threads, right?

I think we should be mindful of our witness to these people. Because when a homosexual reads how much God hates that sin, they're not going to interpret it as..."God hates my sin, I should repent and change." They see this sin as who they are...so when they read about how much God hates that sin, they will think that God hates them personally. It will cause them to feel unworthy, and possibly push them further away from God than they already are, maybe closing the door on Him forever.

I'm not saying to waterdown what you believe is God's message and word, I'm just saying...be mindful of who may be reading. With a little rephrasing, the love of God can shine through, instead of the constant condemnation people already feel like He deals.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You guys do realize that there are homosexuals out there that will be reading these threads, right?

I think we should be mindful of our witness to these people. Because when a homosexual reads how much God hates that sin, they're not going to interpret it as..."God hates my sin, I should repent and change." They see this sin as who they are...so when they read about how much God hates that sin, they will think that God hates them personally. It will cause them to feel unworthy, and possibly push them further away from God than they already are, maybe closing the door on Him forever.

I'm not saying to waterdown what you believe is God's message and word, I'm just saying...be mindful of who may be reading. With a little rephrasing, the love of God can shine through, instead of the constant condemnation people already feel like He deals.

Rephrasing to do what? Assuage their consciences? No, they need to be able to differentiate between how they view themselves and how God does. He loves them so very much and sent His Son to die for their sin. To hold onto the sin is an insult to God and it hurts His heart.

A person who sincerely seeks after god with all their heart, mind and spirit will receive Holy spirit conviction concerning the lie that they beleive, that somehow they ARE their sin. They aren't, but the devil tells them that and they are believing the wrong message.

I don't ever water down the message. I am softer with unbelievers, bit for those who are within the Church--they need the truth handed to them strongly--for THEY are the poor witnesses of Christ, denying Jesus' forgiveness and His power to heal and change them.

 

[Floatingaxe]

When people start relying on their brain power and reasoning over the Word of God, they are doing a futile thing. God gives wisdom, but when a person starts venturing into the perverse, that is a sure sign that he/she has abandoned God's Word in favour of his/her own reasoning power...it is no match for God's, which keeps us thinking right.

It is all based on trust---Do you really trust God? Do you really want to follow in HIS ways? Or do you only want Him to bless the path you have chosen? He won't do it. You walk where your mind is focused.


Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart;
do not depend on your own understanding.

Ephesians 4:17
This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of[a] the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind,

or in the (CEV):

As a follower of the Lord, I order you to stop living like stupid, godless people.

Romans 8:5
Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear that somehow your pure and undivided devotion to Christ will be corrupted, just as Eve was deceived by the cunning ways of the serpent.

 

[catlover]

When people start relying on their brain power and reasoning over the Word of God, they are doing a futile thing. .

God gave us a brain to use...anyone who states do not use your mind, is suggesting a cult which is extremely dangerous.We do not need anymore Jonetowns.

http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~reli291/Jonestown/Jonestown.html

 

[Floatingaxe]

God gave us a brain to use...anyone who states do not use your mind, is suggesting a cult which is extremely dangerous.We do not need anymore Jonetowns.

God wants us to use our minds, but to use them properly, with His control. He is to be sitting on the throne of our lives. Our minds iare to be removed from the throne and placed under the control of the Holy Spirit. With Him in control, our minds excell.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

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God wants us to use our minds, but to use them properly, with His control. He is to be sitting on the throne of our lives. Our minds iare to be removed from the throne and placed under the control of the Holy Spirit. With Him in control, our minds excell.

And discover things like evolution and anti-biotics.

 

[Sprockets]

Rephrasing to do what? Assuage their consciences? No, they need to be able to differentiate between how they view themselves and how God does. He loves them so very much and sent His Son to die for their sin. To hold onto the sin is an insult to God and it hurts His heart.

A person who sincerely seeks after god with all their heart, mind and spirit will receive Holy spirit conviction concerning the lie that they beleive, that somehow they ARE their sin. They aren't, but the devil tells them that and they are believing the wrong message.

I don't ever water down the message. I am softer with unbelievers, bit for those who are within the Church--they need the truth handed to them strongly--for THEY are the poor witnesses of Christ, denying Jesus' forgiveness and His power to heal and change them.

Edit: I'm not going to bother getting further into this conversation. Neither of the sides will listen to one another. It's the same arguments over and over. Needless to say, floatingaxe...you got my post all wrong.