A re-examination of nothing

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Right. I don't know everything. I do, however, know what I am talking about here.

If you insist that someone invited Them in when that bes not the case and refuse to accept the reality about their situation because it does not fit YOUR preconceived notions for how this stuff happens? Then no, sorry, you do NOT know what you bes talksy about. (Not just you personally but anyone doing that)

Sometimes ppls fight and lose. War means casualties. It happens. Sometimes ppls get taken even if they don't wanna be. It happens. You said not to put God in a box, don't put Him in a box on this either. Things DO happen, and that includes bad things happening to those that do nothing to deserve it.

Children are easy targets for Satan and his band. That is why we are instructed to raise them up in the things of God and to be diligent spiritual guardians.

Yeah well, not much you can do as a parent if you blew it with your kid in terms of trust the first time you had to instill a moral lesson, way before they even started school, and Someone Else bes coming to them at night at the age of 3 teaching them the use of certain "talents" not to mention advanced abstract reasoning skills beyond what the adults in their lives bes capable of parsing....

Believers are a tastier target, however, as they in Satan's mind are the real enemy and need to be destroyed or, at the very least, made ineffective in their influence for Jesus Christ.

Depends on what paradigm in which you wish to operate. The dark ones do not necessarily conceive of things in the same or similar terms as you have laid out. But from a christian standpoint what you just said works a lot better than what you said before.

 

[davedjy]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]It is claimed, that the high rates of mental illness among homosexuals are the result of 'homophobia'. However, even in the Netherlands, which has been far more tolerant to same-sex relationships and which has recently legalised same-sex marriages, high levels of psychiatric illness, including major depression, bipolar disorder ('manic depression'), agoraphobia, obsessive compulsive disorder and drug addiction are found. (Sandfort TG, et al. Same-sex sexual behavior and psychiatric disorders: findings from the Netherlands Mental Health Survey and Incidence Study (NEMESIS). Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2001; 58 :85-91.)

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Furthermore, if 'homophobia' and prejudices were the cause of the high rates of psychiatric disorders and suicide attempts among homosexuals, one would similarly expect to find higher rates of suicide attempts and suicide among ethnic minorities exposed to racism. However, this is not usually the case.
[/SIZE][/FONT]http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0095.html

I am looking to get conformation by other sources of these findings, because I know the fact that this is from a Catholic site will cause problems.

Not really the point, tho, and yes there are a lot of problems associated with gays and lesbians esp. since society, and the stigma. The proof from the medical health programs is that upon exiting the program an individual is even that much MORE likely to be suicidal. My point does not address GBLT people in general, but those who have undergone reparative therapy.

The programs have been proven harmful.

 

[davedjy]

It is law for everyone, but not everyone accepts it as law, and so they violate it...which is why in scripture, homosexuals are referred to as "homosexual offenders."

Only in modern day trash translations would that term even occur. Again for all those to know who haven't yet, it is a breaking of Biblical exegesis to use that term in the Bible!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Depends on what paradigm in which you wish to operate. The dark ones do not necessarily conceive of things in the same or similar terms as you have laid out. But from a christian standpoint what you just said works a lot better than what you said before.

The paradigm is the Kingdom of the living Christ!

The dark ones are not with the program! As if I care how they see things! Hah!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Only in modern day trash translations would that term even occur. Again for all those to know who haven't yet, it is a breaking of Biblical exegesis to use that term in the Bible!

No it isn't. We are all offenders in the first place! We break the laws of God regularly! The thing is, we are supposed to have remorse about it and come to the cross and repent and receive forgiveness and walk away free and not return to that sin.

Those who refuse to repent and call their sin righteous, are indeed offenders in the eyes of God according to His Word.

 

[davedjy]

No it isn't. We are all offenders in the first place! We break the laws of God regularly! The thing is, we are supposed to have remorse about it and come to the cross and repent and receive forgiveness and walk away free and not return to that sin.

Those who refuse to repent and call their sin righteous, are indeed offenders in the eyes of God according to His Word.

That doesn't address my point. I am speaking directly about the term you use against homosexuals that is a breaking of rules, a breaking of Biblical exegesis that only appears in modern day trash translations.

 

[Floatingaxe]

That doesn't address my point. I am speaking directly about the term you use against homosexuals that is a breaking of rules, a breaking of Biblical exegesis that only appears in modern day trash translations.

It appears in good translations. Your opinion is just that.

You cannot be seriously telling us that godly translators have broken a rule now, can you? It is rather hypocritical to say the least...

 

[EnemyPartyII]

It appears in good translations. Your opinion is just that.

You cannot be seriously telling us that godly translators have broken a rule now, can you? It is rather hypocritical to say the least...

Then how do you account for older translations that translate the word a different way?

How do you know which version of translation is the one compiled by the "godly" translators?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Then how do you account for older translations that translate the word a different way?

How do you know which version of translation is the one compiled by the "godly" translators?

They all concur that homosexual acts are sins. There is no Scripture that says otherwise. So there is much time and effort spent on nothing trying to get Scripture to say anything else but.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Not really the point, tho, and yes there are a lot of problems associated with gays and lesbians esp. since society, and the stigma. The proof from the medical health programs is that upon exiting the program an individual is even that much MORE likely to be suicidal. My point does not address GBLT people in general, but those who have undergone reparative therapy.

The programs have been proven harmful.

As I have said many times, and several times to you, I have never recommended reparative therapy or suggested that anybody do anything other than surrender to the Lord.

I only posted information relating to homosexual suicide rates, which you mentioned in your post. I didn't understand the post to only be related to suicides of those who have been in or are in reparative therapy.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

They all concur that homosexual acts are sins. There is no Scripture that says otherwise. So there is much time and effort spent on nothing trying to get Scripture to say anything else but.

No, they don't. Older version refer to masturbation where the more modern versions refer to homosexuality.

But I guess that doesn't match your pre-existing ideas so you'll just pretend something else is true.

 

[Chaplain David]

No, they don't. Older version refer to masturbation where the more modern versions refer to homosexuality.

But I guess that doesn't match your pre-existing ideas so you'll just pretend something else is true.

What's with all the putdowns? Can't everyone just make their points without all the slights and barbs?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

What's with all the putdowns? Can't everyone just make their points without all the slights and barbs?

Well, it would be nice, but I have spent months trying to show certain people around here actual evidence from the real world that they might learn something from, and they continually refuse to actually look at the evidence... decide it is false BEFORE looking at it, and that gets wearing

 

[davedjy]

It appears in good translations. Your opinion is just that.

You cannot be seriously telling us that godly translators have broken a rule now, can you? It is rather hypocritical to say the least...

It's not hypocritical in the least, fallible men have translated the Bible, and have done so inconsistently. Others have posted exhaustive studies showing translation to translation the inconsistencies.

Whether you CHOOSE to believe it or not, it doesn't change the truth. The translation is not good if it breaks the rules of Biblical exegesis.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Moriah_Conquering_Wind,

So show us something from scripture just as plain for masturbation. If it bes truly sin surely the bible writers would NOT have neglected to mention it as plainly and clearly as something FAR more "over the top" like bestiality .... right?

This is a good point, a crucial point in fact. You can direct this point to me as I believe the scripture, you cant use this argument with those who say the Bible says nothing about same-sex sex.

 

[Phinehas2]

It's not hypocritical in the least, fallible men have translated the Bible, and have done so inconsistently. Others have posted exhaustive studies showing translation to translation the inconsistencies.

And all the Bible translations I have seen are clear and studies I have seen from Greek scholars tell me the opposite.
Also what are the inconsitencies in Romans 2-16?

Whether you CHOOSE to believe it or not, it doesn't change the truth. The translation is not good if it breaks the rules of Biblical exegesis.

I would agree with that and I think the pro-same-sex argument does that all the time and at every point.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

And all the Bible translations I have seen are clear and studies I have seen from Greek scholars tell me the opposite. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
Also what are the inconsitencies in Romans 2-16?

I would agree with that and I think the pro-same-sex argument does that all the time and at every point.

care to cite your unbiased, objective Greek scholars who translate arsenokroites as meaning "homosexual"

 

[Der Alte]

care to cite your unbiased, objective Greek scholars who translate arsenokroites as meaning "homosexual"

[SIZE=+1]Bintheredunthatgotthetshirtdontfit. I posted several Greek and Hebrew references many times, and got the same old, lame old, "Neener, neener, neener, Is to! Is not! Nuh uh! Nuh huh!"[/SIZE]

 

[Floatingaxe]

It's not hypocritical in the least, fallible men have translated the Bible, and have done so inconsistently. Others have posted exhaustive studies showing translation to translation the inconsistencies.

Whether you CHOOSE to believe it or not, it doesn't change the truth. The translation is not good if it breaks the rules of Biblical exegesis.

I am amazed at the lack of trust in God our Father who has orchestrated and masterminded the translation of His holy Word to us in this era so that all may come to know Him.

We are seeing self-serving people change it to suit their own interests.

I will have nothing to to with such rewrites and fleshly pursuits that are only in existence to fulfill an evil agenda.

I know what my God tells me in His Word and you cannot influence me against Him in any way.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII

care to cite your unbiased, objective Greek scholars who translate arsenokroites as meaning "homosexual"

No would most definitely not care to until I my question has been addressed. And in addition the Bible translations say what they say, if you don’t accept them as a proper translation then you say why not.