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A re-examination of nothing

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Ohioprof

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Again, this is all your interpretation of the Bible, not the Bible itself. Yes, God gave you a brain, and he also gave other people brains. There is nothing wrong with interpreting the Bible; we can't read it without interpreting it, since reading is an act of interpretation. And of course it's right to apply common sense and reason to our understanding of the Bible.

Different people have different ideas about what is common sense. I think it's common sense that the various authors of the Bible, who obviously knew nothing about gay people, would neglect to mention gay people. And it's common sense that one cannot assume that same-sex marriage is condemned when it is never mentioned. That is common sense to me.

The error you make is in assuming that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one and everyone else's interpretations are wrong. I believe your interpretation is wrong. That's why we end up having to agree to disagree, because different Christians will always interpret the Bible differently.

I think the most important question for us as Christians is how we treat one another, how we treat other people. Jesus said to love God and love our neighbor. He did not say to love our neighbor except for gay people, because we gay people are sinning. His love was/is universal.

You seem to me like someone who treats other people with kindness and thoughtfulness, including gay people. And ultimately, while I disagree with your beliefs about people like me, I respect your willingness to treat us and others as Jesus would: with kindness, care, and respect. That's about all we can ask, that we care about each other despite our differences of belief.
 
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Dear savednadhappy1,
If it isnt James Dobson held up against the word of God its a college chaplain
The issue is not our college chaplain versus the "word of God." The debate is over different interpretations of the Bible. It's our college chaplain's interpretation versus your interpretation of the Bible.

Your interpretation of the Bible is not the "word of God." It's just how you understand the word of God. Not everyone understands it the way you do. Please don't confuse your beliefs with the word of God.
 
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God loves all of His Children,He loves all sinners,He hates sin of course.
He wants all of His Children to enter His Kingdom but alas not all will.
There will be those who have everlasting life in His Kingdom and there will be those who will have everlasting torment in Hell.
There will be some who think that they will enter the Kingdom of Heaven but will not.
Everyone will be judged by their works.
God sets the rules and God through His Son will make the decision.
No one else.
I personally would want all those on this board to enter His kingdom and I pray that they do.
 
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Me still going with the word of God.
As I just pointed out to Phinny, you are going with YOUR interpretation of the Bible, not the "word of God." You understand the Bible a particular way, which you just acknowledged by talking about using "common sense" to try to understand the Bible. That's interpretation. Everyone interprets the Bible when they read it, because reading involves interpretation. Oher people interpret the Bible differently from you. You can argue what you think different verses in the Bible mean, and others will argue that they think these verses mean something different.
 
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Those are your beliefs, and that's fine. Your beliefs are not "truth." They are just your beliefs. That is true of my beliefs also.
 
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I personally pray to God for Him to reveal His Word to me.
It is not a matter of me interpreting the Bible Scriptures.
It is a matter of God revealing His Word to me.
 
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It's just your belief that homosexuality "condemns a person before almighty God." Many Christians do not believe this. I certainly do not.

Judging gay people and mistreating gay people seems like the sin to me, but I don't know if it condemns anyone.

My argument is not "childish." I am 53 years old, and I am an adult. I do not make "childish" arguments. I am telling you what I think, and how I interpret the Bible. The fact that you interpret it differently does not make other people's interpretations "childish." It just means they are different.
 
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What you present is not "proof."
 
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Please stop attacking people who disagree with you by calling us names. I am not a "stubborn child." I don't buy your arguments, that's all. They hold no weight with me.
I am certainly not going to be bullied into believing what you believe. I recommend trying a different approach if you want folks to listen to you who don't agree with you.
 
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Masturbation harms no one and is healthy for people. It's better to touch than to run around having sex with various partners.
 
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No it's not. That's just your interpretation of an ambiguous verse in scripture. What you call "proof" is just your belief about what the Bible means.

It's interesting, though, that I see Christians running around telling gay people that we are going to hell for our alleged "sin," which is just their belief about our marriages, while I don't hear people running around denouncing those who touch, which is probably over 90 percent of the population of the world.

Some Christians single out gay people while giving those who touch a pass, probably because they themselves touch, and it's easier and more convenient for them to point fingers at other people rather than at themselves. I personally reject the belief that masturbation is a sin, just as I reject the belief that same-sex love is a sin within the context of marriage. But I see Christians applying double standards all over the place, denouncing gay people for our alleged "sin" while letting those who touch off the hook for their alleged "sin."

I say masturbation is good and healthy, and people should enjoy it. And they should be free to imagine whatever they want.
 
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Dear Moraih_Conquering_Wind,
As I said before perhaps you could know explain why masturbation might not be sinful? you seem too focused on proof it is at the moment.
There is no reason to believe that masturbation is sinful. It's healthy, and most people do it. Those who claim it's sinful probably do it. They rely on their interpretation of an ambiguous verse in the Bible.
 
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It's not anything like scratching an itch. Tell it to the Judge...




What in the name of Jesus are you talking about????

Jesus refers to us as children. Are we going to be good, obedient children, or spoiled, irascible, uncontrollable, unlovely children?
The Judge will say, "Floatingaxe, get over yourself. Lighten up. I never said masturbation is a sin, and I gave you sexuality as a gift from me. I also gave sexuality and the capacity to love and to marry to gay people, so please stop judging them and calling them names and do what Jesus told you. Love your neighbor and stop presuming to judge them."
 
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More interpretation on your part.
 
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