A Question Rgarding Embedded Age

[AV1611VET]

It isn't a lack of proof, what you are asking for is the equivalent of me expecting you to show me the graves of Adam and Eve.

Didn't scientists 200 years ago go look for them and conclude they never existed?

I mean ... why bother to look today, when they were already looked for 200 years ago with state-of-the-art equipment back then?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Didn't scientists 200 years ago go look for them and conclude they never existed?

I mean ... why bother to look today, when they were already looked for 200 years ago with state-of-the-art equipment back then?

I wouldn't know of such an effort, my point was that dad was essentially asking for the impossible, and thinking he is correct because I can't give the ridiculous thing he is asking for.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I take it you admit having descended from flatworms then. God disagree with you.

No he doesn't. You cannot show me anything that indicates that at all.

Now some poor uneducated shepherds might have disagreed with me. That is not God.

The Bible was not meant to be taken literally. The Bible states more than once that the Earth is flat, and is at the center of the universe. Why don't you believe that part of the Bible?

 

[PsychoSarah]

No he doesn't. You cannot show me anything that indicates that at all.

Now some poor uneducated shepherds might have disagreed with me. That is not God.

The Bible was not meant to be taken literally. The Bible states more than once that the Earth is flat, and is at the center of the universe. Why don't you believe that part of the Bible?

Oh don't you know? Prior state and what not.

 

[RickG]

The Bible was not meant to be taken literally. The Bible states more than once that the Earth is flat, and is at the center of the universe. Why don't you believe that part of the Bible?

Probably because all those things were okay to be true before ToE. After ToE, all science suddenly became false.

 

[AV1611VET]

Probably because all those things were okay to be true before ToE. After ToE, all science suddenly became false.

Are you admitting then that evolution was being taught prior to this ...

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

... lending credence to this: 21 ?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Are you admitting then that evolution was being taught prior to this ...

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

... lending credence to this: 21 ?

Well, there were theories somewhat similar to evolution prior to Darwin... Some of which are really funny and ridiculous.

 

[RickG]

Are you admitting then that evolution was being taught prior to this ...

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

... lending credence to this: 21 ?

Actually, the idea has much earlier beginnings. Darwin was not the first, but he was first to get it right and put it together.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Actually, the idea has much earlier beginnings. Darwin was not the first, but he was first to get it right and put it together.

And as for the ones that were wrong.. lulz

 

[dad]

Yes, but that is your problem not mine. If you want to dispute the settled facts then you need to do some work of your own. Your blind statements about "things were different when I was a lad" won't convince anyone.

In debates whether or not you can find evidence that supports you is what determines if you are defeated or not. It does not matter if you never admit defeat.

You have no settled facts, that elephants came from flatworms, that is what is settled.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no settled facts, that elephants came from flatworms, that is what is settled.

Of course I do. And you use technology that is based upon the facts that I use every day. There is no scientific doubt about whether or not evolution is real. What is being worked on now are the details. There are many Christians who have no problem accepting the theory of evolution. They accept that it is true and that much of Genesis is merely morality stories. Tales to help you to understand the right way to live, not true facts on how the world was made.

Not even the Bible itself tells you that it is to be taken literally. I asked you for verses before and you did not supply any. Do you think you can now?

 

[dad]

No he doesn't. You cannot show me anything that indicates that at all.

Now some poor uneducated shepherds might have disagreed with me. That is not God.

Jesus disagrees, He is God.

The Bible was not meant to be taken literally.

Who made that rule?

The Bible states more than once that the Earth is flat,

False.

and is at the center of the universe.

Chapter and verse?

Why don't you believe that part of the Bible?

I accept all parts. Some you may not understand the meaning of.

 

[dad]

It isn't a lack of proof, what you are asking for is the equivalent of me expecting you to show me the graves of Adam and Eve.

Why would people who went back to dust rapidly need a grave?

You have presented flatworm sex as the origin of the species of man and most animals. (forget whatever came before in your fable, this is the oldest living ancestor science claims). You need more than a comparison with where Adam was 'buried' to support that whopper!

 

[dad]

Of course I do. And you use technology that is based upon the facts that I use every day. There is no scientific doubt about whether or not evolution is real. What is being worked on now are the details. There are many Christians who have no problem accepting the theory of evolution. They accept that it is true and that much of Genesis is merely morality stories. Tales to help you to understand the right way to live, not true facts on how the world was made.

Mane me one bible believing Christian that accepts flatworm sex begat mankind?

Not even the Bible itself tells you that it is to be taken literally. I asked you for verses before and you did not supply any. Do you think you can now?

The people in Noah's day were warned often that the flood was coming. Do you think they should have pretended it was not a real flood?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Mane me one bible believing Christian that accepts flatworm sex begat mankind?

Kenneth R. Miller:


Kenneth R. Miller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The people in Noah's day were warned often that the flood was coming. Do you think they should have pretended it was not a real flood?

But we know that there was no flood and the stories of Genesis are just that, stories. They are not without merit, I did not say that. But we know there was no flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, the idea has much earlier beginnings. Darwin was not the first, but he was first to get it right and put it together.

As the story goes:

Evolution was discussed long before Darwin.

In fact, Darwin went to bed at night listening to his father and grandfather discuss it.

But no one at the time took evolution seriously, since evolution could not be explained properly.

Eventually, Darwin "discovered" the breakthrough technology that allowed biological evolution to move forward, viz. natural selection.

 

[dad]

But we know that there was no flood and the stories of Genesis are just that, stories. They are not without merit, I did not say that. But we know there was no flood.

Easy to say you know. But until that can be demonstrated...you believe real hard.

Let's hear you admit nice and clear you truly believe that flatworms having sex is what brang about the human race?? I want to add your name to the hall of shame of those who did come out of the closet and clearly state what they believe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As the story goes:

Evolution was discussed long before Darwin.

In fact, Darwin went to bed at night listening to his father and grandfather discuss it.

But no one at the time took evolution seriously, since evolution could not be explained properly.

Eventually, Darwin "discovered" the breakthrough technology that allowed biological evolution to move forward, viz. natural selection.

Saying "it was not taken seriously" is misleading to say the least. The problem was that no one could explain the reasons for it. Just as Keppler's observed elliptical orbits were not taken seriously until Newton came along and his work and calculus explained why they were elliptical. Merely stating a fact does not lead to a "serious" understanding for scientists. The mere fact that we evolved was not very interesting. When our evolution could be explained is when scientists got interested in the fact.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Easy to say you know. But until that can be demonstrated...you believe real hard.

Let's hear you admit nice and clear you truly believe that flatworms having sex is what brang about the human race??

You are stating the fact in a very distorted manner, but yes, we had ancestors that would look very much like the flat worms of today.

Why do you have a problem with that? You do realize that at one point in your life you did not look terribly different from a flatworm, don't you?

And yes, we know that there was no flood. Five miles of water would have left massive evidence. There is no evidence that points to a large flood.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why would people who went back to dust rapidly need a grave?

You have presented flatworm sex as the origin of the species of man and most animals. (forget whatever came before in your fable, this is the oldest living ancestor science claims). You need more than a comparison with where Adam was 'buried' to support that whopper!

You can't show me Adam and Eve, therefore you are wrong. Do you not see how ridiculous your requests are? Unless you admit that what you want is unnecessarily specific, I am going to require equivalent evidence from you.

Where are their graves?

Where is Noah's ark?

Show me the Holy Grail.

Unless you can show these to me, you are unconditionally wrong, I won't listen to a word you say.