A question for Old Earth Creationists

[Aman777]

Wrong, it is easy to show that you are wrong by science. What is hilarious is that you are completely blind to how science works. Here is a hint, if your Bible stories were true then there should be support for them in the real world. If they are false there will be evidence that that is the case.

Sadly for you all scientific evidence supports evolution and tells us that there was no Ark. If you want to learn some science I will gladly help you. If you want to spout insanity I will simply laugh at you.

Here is a simple question. Why does reality disagree with the Bible? Over 99% of all biologists accept the theory of evolution and they are the best educated about that subject. Over 99% of geologists say there was no flood and they are the best educated about that. Education is the enemy of genesis. And when it comes to court cases, cases that are ruled by evidence your side always loses. Now it can't be a huge conspiracy so why do you always lose?

Dear SZ, Reality and EVERY discovery of man AGREES with the Bible IF you have the proper interpretation. Evols LOVE to argue with Goatherder Theology but run and hide when confronted with what God actually wrote, which destroys their false views.

Is it God's fault that today's "so called" scientists cannot understand the Flood story? Of course not. It's the self imposed Ignorance of scientists who have REJECTED God's Truth and made up the UnSupportable Theory of Evolution, which is provably incomplete and which does NOT agree with Scripture, Science, nor History. IOW, It's a Satanic Falsehood being forced upon our little children by people who reject God's Truth and THINK they are smarter than God. Here is another who thought the same: Isa 14:12 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's it!

As the saying goes:

Drag him down to your level, then beat him to death with experience!

Methinks he's a litter smarter than thou doth give him credit for.

Wow, do you hate evolution so much you would side with someone whom you would consider sacrilegious?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dear SZ, Reality and EVERY discovery of man AGREES with the Bible IF you have the proper interpretation. Evols LOVE to argue with Goatherder Theology but run and hide when confronted with what God actually wrote, which destroys their false views.

Is it God's fault that today's "so called" scientists cannot understand the Flood story? Of course not. It's the self imposed Ignorance of scientists who have REJECTED God's Truth and made up the UnSupportable Theory of Evolution, which is provably incomplete and which does NOT agree with Scripture, Science, nor History. IOW, It's a Satanic Falsehood being forced upon our little children by people who reject God's Truth and THINK they are smarter than God. Here is another who thought the same: Isa 14:12 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Please Aman, 9th Commandment warning. If what you say is true why then do you never ever list any evidence? Can you explain the fossil record? No. Can you explain the Earth's erosional features? No. Can you explain ERV's? No. Can you explain the various nested hierarchies that support evolution and evolution only?

Remember evidence only.

 

[theophilus777]

FYI, This means that the scientists of the Future will learn that Life is present EVERYwhere in the Universe where we find liquid water.

This is an interesting idea. How do you know?

 

[PsychoSarah]

This is an interesting idea. How do you know?

He doesn't. While I agree that there is likely other life out there, I doubt water alone is enough or a determinant.

 

[theophilus777]

So you are agreeing that evolution explains the fossil record? Please , just a yes or no.

I read him as saying yes.

I still want to know how AV has it that fossils are where they are, which I suspect has something to do with why you created this thread. (Not ex nihilo)

 

[Subduction Zone]

I read him as saying yes.

I still want to know how AV has it that fossils are where they are, which I suspect has something to do with why you created this thread. (Not ex nihilo)

And one question, totally off topic for you:

How many thistles?

 

[theophilus777]

And one question, totally off topic for you:

How many thistles?

That all depends; do they chuck wood?

 

[AV1611VET]

Dear AV, Thanks. Some of the unbelievers here, posing as believers, sure do hate it when we refute their liberal and modernist views with actual Scripture. They huff and puff and try to silence the voice of those who actually believe in God and His Holy Word. I'm just happy that there are some real believers here, like you. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

You too, brother, thank you!

God bless you as well!

 

[Subduction Zone]

That all depends; do they chuck wood?

Yes they do

 

[AV1611VET]

I still want to know how AV has it that fossils are where they are,

Beats me, theophilus.

I suspect a LOT more went on back then than just the surface of the earth being sandwiched between water geysers and torrential rainfall.

When Jesus rebuked the demon out of a child, here's what happened:

Mark 9:20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.

I suspect these fallen angels didn't just go peacefully.

 

[RickG]

Dear Rick, False, since I show the 100% AGREEMENT of Science with God and History, while those who worship the changable Science of man, which REJECTS God's Truth, while some even proclaim that they are believers, CANNOT show us How or When we magically evolved from animal to Human intelligence. Neither can they support their False Theory of Evolutionism with History, since History reveals that they are not only wrong, but also naive, and unable to comprehend the mind of the Supreme Intelligence of Creation. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Aman777, I am an active member of the Presbyterian Church USA and attend services and activities on average twice a week I am not just a person claiming to be a Christian who never attends church like many I encounter in forums such as this with "greater than thou" attitudes. I am going to share something with you. In 1969 the Presbyterian Church USA came out with the following statement concerning evolution. I want you to read it and understand what it says.

Neither Scripture, our Confession of Faith, nor our Catechisms, teach the Creation of man by the direct and immediate acts of God so as to exclude the possibility of evolution as a scientific theory. Scripture states that "out of the ground" the Lord God formed every beast, Genesis 2:19, and "of the dust of the ground" the Lord God formed man, Genesis 2:7. Genesis 1 teaches that according to the Word of God there came into being Light, Firmament (called Heaven), the Earth and the Seas. Then, God said: "Let the waters bring forth" and "Let the earth bring forth." After the creation of Light, the Firmament and the Earth, after the Earth and the Waters brought forth plant, aquatic and animal life, then God said: "Let us make man." This man, Adam, meaning both a man and man, is by nature both individual and corporate. The name Adam is simply a generic term for man brought forth from the Earth. Genesis 1 describes Creation as taking place in six days; however, it is not necessary to understand the Genesis account as a scientific description of Creation. (bold emphasis mine)​

We are not in the dark ages any longer, the Inquisition no longer exists. According to The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, December 19, 2011, there are now at least 41,000 Christian denominations world wide. By your manner of posting you are coming across as if your denomination, or is it your specific church, is the only one that knows the true word of God. Sorry, but there are more than, 41,000 christian denominations that differ with you.

As for your science, it is completely fabricated without any supporting evidence. An example of this your claim that the earth is some 25 billions of years old. One does not come up with the age of the earth by adding made up stuff to scripture and claim it is science.

Essentially, all you are doing is interpenetrating scripture in a non literal way and throwing in made up science to it in order to justify your literal interpretation of it.

Now, are you going to participate in this thread by discussing the OP, or are you going to continue trolling questioning my and other Christian's religious beliefs?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Aman777, I am an active member of the Presbyterian Church USA and attend services and activities on average twice a week I am not just a person claiming to be a Christian who never attends church like many I encounter in forums such as this with "greater than thou" attitudes. I am going to share something with you. In 1969 the Presbyterian Church USA came out with the following statement concerning evolution. I want you to read it and understand what it says.

Neither Scripture, our Confession of Faith, nor our Catechisms, teach the Creation of man by the direct and immediate acts of God so as to exclude the possibility of evolution as a scientific theory. Scripture states that "out of the ground" the Lord God formed every beast, Genesis 2:19, and "of the dust of the ground" the Lord God formed man, Genesis 2:7. Genesis 1 teaches that according to the Word of God there came into being Light, Firmament (called Heaven), the Earth and the Seas. Then, God said: "Let the waters bring forth" and "Let the earth bring forth." After the creation of Light, the Firmament and the Earth, after the Earth and the Waters brought forth plant, aquatic and animal life, then God said: "Let us make man." This man, Adam, meaning both a man and man, is by nature both individual and corporate. The name Adam is simply a generic term for man brought forth from the Earth. Genesis 1 describes Creation as taking place in six days; however, it is not necessary to understand the Genesis account as a scientific description of Creation. (bold emphasis mine)​

We are not in the dark ages any longer, the Inquisition no longer exists. According to The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, December 19, 2011, there are now at least 41,000 Christian denominations world wide. By your manner of posting you are coming across as if your denomination, or is it your specific church, is the only one that knows the true word of God. Sorry, but there are more than, 41,000 christian denominations that differ with you.

As for your science, it is completely fabricated without any supporting evidence. An example of this your claim that the earth is some 25 billions of years old. One does not come up with the age of the earth by adding made up stuff to scripture and claim it is science.

Essentially, all you are doing is interpenetrating scripture in a non literal way and throwing in made up science to it in order to justify your literal interpretation of it.

Now, are you going to participate in this thread by discussing the OP, or are you going to continue trolling questioning my and other Christian's religious beliefs?

According to some of the Christians here you are not the "right sort" of Christian. It is nice to have a Christian here who supports my claim that there is no problem in accepting both evolution and Christianity. My becoming a atheist has very very little to do with accepting the theory of evolution.

And the latest PEW research shows the highest ever acceptance of evolution in the U.S.. I think I will add it on here. So either the U.S. is getting to be much less of a Christian nation or more and more Christians are accepting evolution.

Source: In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins

It seems the staunch creationists have not lost much. They are still at 42% most of the loss seems to have come from the middle. So reasonable people are beginning to think more and more in terms of evolution only. Over the last 30 years the acceptance of evolution has doubled. So lets do a little creationist math. In 60 years the amount of people that accept creationism will have declined very little. It will probably be about 38%. That's the bad news. The good news is that the percentage that accept just evolution will be a whopping 76%. And in another 30 years 114% of the people in the U.S. will accept evolution only.

You have to love that creationist math

 

[RickG]

I read him as saying yes.

He seems to indicate that in one statement then goes on about how ungodly evolution is.

I still want to know how AV has it that fossils are where they are, which I suspect has something to do with why you created this thread. (Not ex nihilo)

He's painted himself into a corner though he won't admit it. He says God embedded age into the earth, but he did not embed fossils as they came after the fall. Go figure.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Aman777, I am an active member of the Presbyterian Church USA and attend services and activities on average twice a week I am not just a person claiming to be a Christian who never attends church like many I encounter in forums such as this with "greater than thou" attitudes. I am going to share something with you. In 1969 the Presbyterian Church USA came out with the following statement concerning evolution. I want you to read it and understand what it says.

Neither Scripture, our Confession of Faith, nor our Catechisms, teach the Creation of man by the direct and immediate acts of God so as to exclude the possibility of evolution as a scientific theory. Scripture states that "out of the ground" the Lord God formed every beast, Genesis 2:19, and "of the dust of the ground" the Lord God formed man, Genesis 2:7. Genesis 1 teaches that according to the Word of God there came into being Light, Firmament (called Heaven), the Earth and the Seas. Then, God said: "Let the waters bring forth" and "Let the earth bring forth." After the creation of Light, the Firmament and the Earth, after the Earth and the Waters brought forth plant, aquatic and animal life, then God said: "Let us make man." This man, Adam, meaning both a man and man, is by nature both individual and corporate. The name Adam is simply a generic term for man brought forth from the Earth. Genesis 1 describes Creation as taking place in six days; however, it is not necessary to understand the Genesis account as a scientific description of Creation. (bold emphasis mine)​

We are not in the dark ages any longer, the Inquisition no longer exists. According to The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, December 19, 2011, there are now at least 41,000 Christian denominations world wide. By your manner of posting you are coming across as if your denomination, or is it your specific church, is the only one that knows the true word of God. Sorry, but there are more than, 41,000 christian denominations that differ with you.

As for your science, it is completely fabricated without any supporting evidence. An example of this your claim that the earth is some 25 billions of years old. One does not come up with the age of the earth by adding made up stuff to scripture and claim it is science.

Essentially, all you are doing is interpenetrating scripture in a non literal way and throwing in made up science to it in order to justify your literal interpretation of it.

Now, are you going to participate in this thread by discussing the OP, or are you going to continue trolling questioning my and other Christian's religious beliefs?

So Rick, do you believe that Jesus created the universe and everything in it?

 

[RickG]

According to some of the Christians here you are not the "right sort" of Christian. It is nice to have a Christian here who supports my claim that there is no problem in accepting both evolution and Christianity.

My becoming a atheist has very very little to do with accepting the theory of evolution.

Same here. By viewing Genesis as a non literal story about creation, one does not have to "quote mine" other scripture and add made up science in order to believe in God. I guess like most Christians, at first I tried to reason with myself creation events and science, OEC, GAP, etc. The more I looked at it, the more I saw how non scientific it was.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Same here. By viewing Genesis as a non literal story about creation, one does not have to "quote mine" other scripture and add made up science in order to believe in God. I guess like most Christians, at first I tried to reason with myself creation events and science, OEC, GAP, etc. The more I looked at it, the more I saw how non scientific it was.

Yep, one of the reasons why that so many literalists have no shame when it comes to quote mining is that they do it with their own Bible. You will see the claim of "hundreds of prophecies of Jesus" in the Old Testament. The only way that can be done is to match some verses or even one verse out of context with a event from the life of Christ. It is not all that difficult with so many poetic verses to choose from. If you have no shame quote mining what is supposed to be a holy book to you how much shame would you expect them to have for quote mining "the enemy"?

 

[AV1611VET]

By viewing Genesis as a non literal story about creation, one does not have to "quote mine" other scripture and add made up science in order to believe in God. I guess like most Christians, at first I tried to reason with myself creation events and science, OEC, GAP, etc. The more I looked at it, the more I saw how non scientific it was.

And those who refuse to do the same are what exactly? fooled? deceived? stiffnecked? crazy? ignorant? all the above?

What exactly?

 

[RickG]

So Rick, do you believe that Jesus created the universe and everything in it?

A literal reading, which I do not subscribe to says God created Heaven and Earth first. Then he made sun, moon and stars. So, according to a literal reading the universe came last. As for Jesus creating everything, no, it was God according to the bible, as Jesus sits at the right hand of God in Heaven.

 

[RickG]

And those who refuse to do the same are what exactly? fooled? deceived? stiffnecked? crazy? ignorant? all the above?

What exactly?

Everyone has their own personal beliefs, that is why we have more than 41,000 different Christian denominations, of which each individual has their own relationship with God.

That personal relationship with God is what counts, not how someone else wants you to interpret the bible, which is "man's fallible word", not Gods.