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I'm not discussing Thalidomide.but, taking away Thalidomide, would be taking an important arrow out of AV's quiver. At least, he thinks it is important.
So explain God creating land plants before animals and before the sun.
Are you trying to shift your goalpost? If you do, I will fellow along.
The sun has nothing to do with the fossil sequence.
I'm not discussing Thalidomide.
Not with you or anyone else.
I'll mention it to make a point ... but not to discuss it.
I would probably get moderated, and rightfully so.
You know, the reason I left this forum over a year ago out of utter disgust was the rampant utter nonsense of some members who I believe wished to nothing other than cause trouble. Honest discussion and disagreement is great. Totally off the wall made up stuff is disruptive and frankly does more harm for Christianity than anything. It's a shame that this more than obvious behavior is still rampant here in the science forums of the Christian Forums.
I don't believe that Aman777 is being dishonest with his claims. He seems to sincerely believe the Bible supports his view.This is also why I am here. I think these people who feel that being dishonest in the name of Christ is the thing to do are doing a lot of damage to Christianity.
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I agree and I would say the same about Dad and even ED. I feel that these really believe what they are saying no matter how confused and mixed up they seems to us.I don't believe that Aman777 is being dishonest with his claims. He seems to sincerely believe the Bible supports his view.
I don't believe that Aman777 is being dishonest with his claims. He seems to sincerely believe the Bible supports his view.
I don't understand how you can say this when you acknowledge that you don't understand some of the papers you read. You said this;Between the lines of any paper on evolution one cares to peruse. These papers are riddled with suppositions, in fact suppositions are the glue that hold the whole theory together.
In an attempt to prove (to a certain person) that evolution is full of suppositions and unproven assumptions I sought out and read an article about the evolution of dinosaurs (written by a person with all sorts of initials after his name). While there were no specific instances of what I was seeking the whole article was gobbldygook. By the end of the article my head was spinning. It was disturbing to think that this was scientific evidence.
Aman did spark my comment, but the comment was directed to the science portion of the CF in general. There is science which may be disputed, but purely made up stuff is just ridiculous and should not be tolerated in what is supposed to be discussions involving science.
Any claim without at least a testable hypothesis is nothing more than fantasy. This includes embedded age, different physics in the past, and a 25 Ga Earth.
Dear Rick, The false accusation that I made up stuff is as ridiculous as your arrogant attitude about Science knowing more than God. Below is the Scriptural support for my understanding. I don't believe you can refute it Scripturally, Scientifically, or Historically. Fool me, and show us what an Evol worshipper you really are.
Genesis 1:6-8 shows the first "heaven" was made the 2nd Day.
Genesis 2:4 shows that other heavenS (Plural) were made the 3rd Day.
This means that we live in a Multiverse composed of at least 3 heavens or Universes. NASA and the ESA have spent Millions of dollars in a effort to launch L.I.S.A., which is supposed to happen later this year. One of the reasons for L.I.S.A. is to measure the gravitational pull exerted by other Universes within our Multiverse. Parallel universes. [VIDEO]
When this is discovered, you can tell everyone that a Creationist told you this BEFORE the discovery happens. You can tell them he told you from Genesis that we live in a Multiverse. Of course, someone who has such faith in his precious ToE, will probably refuse to believe. Congratulations, for you have positioned yourself as one of the True Scoffers, of the last days. ll Peter 3:3-7 God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Dear Rick, The false accusation that I made up stuff is as ridiculous as your arrogant attitude about Science knowing more than God. Below is the Scriptural support for my understanding. I don't believe you can refute it Scripturally, Scientifically, or Historically. Fool me, and show us what an Evol worshipper you really are.
Genesis 1:6-8 shows the first "heaven" was made the 2nd Day.
Genesis 2:4 shows that other heavenS (Plural) were made the 3rd Day.
This means that we live in a Multiverse composed of at least 3 heavens or Universes. NASA and the ESA have spent Millions of dollars in a effort to launch L.I.S.A., which is supposed to happen later this year. One of the reasons for L.I.S.A. is to measure the gravitational pull exerted by other Universes within our Multiverse. Parallel universes. [VIDEO]
When this is discovered, you can tell everyone that a Creationist told you this BEFORE the discovery happens. You can tell them he told you from Genesis that we live in a Multiverse. Of course, someone who has such faith in his precious ToE, will probably refuse to believe. Congratulations, for you have positioned yourself as one of the True Scoffers, of the last days. ll Peter 3:3-7 God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Science does not claim to know more than god, but observations have shown the bible to have flaws. When you view the bible as the writings of humans and not deities, why would you think twice about evidence showing it to be inaccurate?
Exactly. Are we to believe the evidence left by God's creation, or a book written by men claiming it is the infallible word of God. Why are there so many versions of bible? Why are there more than 30,000 independent Christian denominations all with differences? Who chose which scriptures to include and which to exclude?
I choose to believe the physical evidence that is there to be examined and to understand. Evidence that man cannot be altered by man.
Science does not claim to know more than god, but observations have shown the bible to have flaws. When you view the bible as the writings of humans and not deities, why would you think twice about evidence showing it to be inaccurate?
Exactly. Are we to believe the evidence left by God's creation, or a book written by men claiming it is the infallible word of God. Why are there so many versions of bible? Why are there more than 30,000 independent Christian denominations all with differences? Who chose which scriptures to include and which to exclude?
I choose to believe the physical evidence that is there to be examined and to understand. Evidence that man cannot be altered by man.
Dear Rick, Since your ideas are so false, I will suppy the answers to a couple of your misunderstandings.
There is NO evidence of our Human beginnings EXCEPT in God's Holy Word. The reason is because Adam, the first Human, was NOT made on this Earth. Adam was made on another Earth, in another heaven or Universe, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. What is really interesting is that Adam was made the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Gen 2:4-7
Man's greed is usually why someone prints a Bible and tries to sell it. If you have nothing to print, but what your competitor is printing, what do YOU have to sell? It's God's will that there be more than 30k denominations. It's His way of guaranteeing that ONLY by FAITH in the Gospel of Jesus Christ can man inherit God's Immortality, wisdom, and Heaven. That FAITH is only available to those who seek the Father. Heb 11:6
God is the Author of Scripture is also the ONE who Picked the Scriptures which are included in the Bible. It's a Miracle, which only Christians can understand since He brought His Holy Word, down through the Ages, to modern man, who is finally beginning to be able to understand what He told us thousands of years ago.
Those who reject God's Holy Word are nothing more than Unregenerated people, destined for no good end. I'm always surprised that they are so far gone, they don't realize how nutty they really sound. Choosing death instead of life is NOT smart. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
This thread is and never was intended for the discussion of old earth creationism. I asked for old earth creationists to explain the fossil record without evolution. Old earth creationists do not accept evolution but believe in an old earth, that is why I asked the question to them.
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Okay, I understand. You have no intention of discussing any science in a science forum.
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