a question for creationists...

[Pesto]

I believe it.
I do not claim it as a fact, only my belief.

Why do you believe it?

 

[Merlin]

I believe it based on the possiblity that it occured and the evidence that it occured.

Congratulations!
You're one of the very few who recognises they have chosen a specific belief.
For most, it is just the atheist mantra.

For most, it is blindly accepted just as many fundamentalists believe creationism without questioning.

 

[Loudmouth]

Congratulations!
You're one of the very few who recognises they have chosen a specific belief.
For most, it is just the atheist mantra.

For most, it is blindly accepted just as many fundamentalists believe creationism without questioning.

A belief based on experience is quite different from a belief based on faith.

 

[LittleNipper]

A belief based on experience is quite different from a belief based on faith.

A belief founded on the experience of growing faith is also quite different.

 

[Vene]

Can you explain fossils then? Can you explain why all organisms use the same nucleotides? Can you explain why all organisms are made out of cells? Can you explain why land vertebrates have 4 limbs? (or in the case of snakes a skeletal system with vestigial bones). How about vestigial structures at all? Can you explain radiometric dating? (And before you say it's false, why do you trust nuclear medicine and why do nuclear weapons work? It's based on the same principles).

What do we see that points to a creator that a natural cause doesn't explain just as well?

It's rude to ignore people who ask you questions Merlin. Would you mind addressing this?

 

[Merlin]

It's rude to ignore people who ask you questions Merlin.

Only if done deliberately.

Can you explain fossils then? Can you explain why all organisms use the same nucleotides? Can you explain why all organisms are made out of cells? Can you explain why land vertebrates have 4 limbs? (or in the case of snakes a skeletal system with vestigial bones). How about vestigial structures at all? Can you explain radiometric dating? (And before you say it's false, why do you trust nuclear medicine and why do nuclear weapons work? It's based on the same principles).

What's to explain?
God did it that way

Can you explain why PCs and Macs both use silicon microchips?

What do we see that points to a creator that a natural cause doesn't explain just as well?

I never said natural causes don't explain things.
I do state that I find the 'explanations' inferior to the concept called 'creationism'

 

[Loudmouth]

A belief founded on the experience of growing faith is also quite different.

That I will agree with.

When you step on your car's brake pedal is that faith?

 

[Merlin]

That I will agree with.

When you step on your car's brake pedal is that faith?

One usually has faith that the car will respond to such an action.

 

[Vene]

Only if done deliberately.

I apologize then. It's just that this was the third time I posted it.

What's to explain?
God did it that way

Then God made the world to look like species evolved.

Can you explain why PCs and Macs both use silicon microchips?

I know very little about how computers work. But my guess would be that one person saw that it worked and the idea was taken by everybody else.

I never said natural causes don't explain things.
I do state that I find the 'explanations' inferior to the concept called 'creationism'

Why are they inferior? What empirical evidence does creationism have?


And I just have to ask to see if you're arguing using an accidental misconception: What do you think evolutionary theory is?

 

[Molal]

One usually has faith that the car will respond to such an action.

I have to disagree - I think one would have an evidence based assumption.

 

[Merlin]

I have to disagree - I think one would have an evidence based assumption.

a belief?

 

[Loudmouth]

One usually has faith that the car will respond to such an action.

What is that faith based on?

 

[Merlin]

What is that faith based on?

A belief.
A belief that the car will respond.

 

[Loudmouth]

A belief

What is that belief based on?

 

[Merlin]

What is that belief based on?

Most often, something taught in childhood,
or at least driver's ed.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

A belief.
A belief that the car will respond.

...evidenced by the thousands of times that the brakes worked correctly. Religion in general and creationism in particular have nothing like this experience, and that is why their belief is completely unsupported.

 

[Merlin]

...evidenced by the thousands of times that the brakes worked correctly. Religion in general and creationism in particular have nothing like this experience, and that is why their belief is completely unsupported.

And I and others have experience with our religion, including thousands of answered prayers, lives changed, etc.

 

[Loudmouth]

Most often, something taught in childhood,
or at least driver's ed.

You never saw a brake pedal work before you drove for the first time?

 

[Loudmouth]

And I and others have experience with our religion, including thousands of answered prayers, lives changed, etc.

If brake pedals worked as well as prayer there wouldn't be any living drivers.

 

[gamespotter10]

A belief.
A belief that the car will respond.

you have evidence that the car will respond. by your standard, there is no such thing as an idea not based on faith.

So, by your standard, when I say I believe that I am typing this message right now, THAT is based on faith. You say that you are skeptical of evolution because it is a belief, or that it does not have adequate evidence. Tell me, why is it that you dont apply this same degree of skepticism to a belief in a personal god?