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A question about Being A Christian.

Discussion in 'Christian Advice' started by Shadowprophet, Dec 27, 2017.

  1. Shadowprophet

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    I consider myself a Christian. I Believe That God gave his only begotten son as a savior so that we may partake in his life and actions and as such atone for original, No, All Sin.

    My question that I have, It's peculiar. I recall once. I heard a preacher giving a lesson. In this lesson, he said that under the right circumstances it is okay to curse someone in Gods name. I had never heard of this. But the preacher said That one may pray to God, and they may ask to have fire and coal heaped on to their heads. Now. The thing here is, That I thought. No matter what someone does to us. We are pretty much obligated to forgive.

    I ask because. I need Advice. I was recently banned from a scientific community that I had been a part of for the last four years. at one point in a thread, someone approached me and they said some pretty horrible things about God. The things this person called God Ranged from Pedophile to Murderer to just plain Evil. I am only Human. I was very offended, Even when this man wanted the argument to stop. I was still very upset. Yes. I was Mad, yes, I was the aggressor after that point. I ask you all this? Is it wrong to Defend Gods name? even to the point of bitter wrath?

    I am not perfect. Anyone that calls God a pedophile gets a busted nose. I'm sorry. I'm just not perfect. Yeah. Maybe There is no peace in my heart. And I do need that peace. But. There are some things that people should just have the respect to simply not say...

    Here is my problem, Along with the many other problems I have. Is it wrong to pray to God, not for your enemies. But for vengeance upon your enemies? These people, They Attacked my deepest spiritual beliefs. And when I defended those beliefs and my right to them, They banned me. I look into my heart. And I don't find forgiveness and softness. I find a bitter anger that wants vengeance. For all who would Judge me for not being perfect, God himself is Vengeful and full of wrath. Even though. I am not perfect. I don't feel I am wrong in my anger.

    Someone, please advise me on this.
     
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  2. JLF

    JLF Looking to be the person God wants me to be

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    I think it was ok to stand up for God and Jesus Maybe you no longer belong in that group and it was time to leave. It may not be the place for you anymore.
     
  3. Shadowprophet

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    You are right. It was no longer the place for me. I think my real problem is, I would have rather left then get banned. But you are right. A group of people who actively disrespect a belief in God, That's not even atheism, That's just people with twisted sick spirits. Thank you, You are right in that. If I had stayed there. It wouldn't have done me a lot of good spiritually.

    Maybe anger is a problem I have, But I've noticed something about other people, at least non Christians. Everyone is fine treating me with anger and bitterness and all different manner of I'll, It's only when I show my anger that suddenly anger is a huge problem. I don't trust most people, I suppose
     
  4. SkyWriting

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    Rights are granted. Rarely can you demand them.
    Re-register under a different name and email. Watch the rules closer.
     
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  5. A_Thinker

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    David prayed for God's vengeance upon His enemies.

    And that's okay ... because God does vengeance differently than we do. The ultimate vengeance for God is to bring that person into relationship with Him.

    The internet can be a offensive place for a christian. I recall one Thnksgiving being ruined because of what a non-christian had posted to me. Honestly, I've had non-christians ... and some declared christians say some pretty awful things to me. Non-christians will malign God by saying some of the things you've experienced, ... while some declared christians will malign God by ascribing to Him attitudes and actions that do not accurately reflect God.

    Give you offense to God, ... and realize that, though your offender was striking out at God, ... God can definitely take care of Himself ...
     
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  6. JLF

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    Many people I have noticed are very angry and unhappy. it seems to be the norm. I would not want to be anywhere that was bringing me down or making ne feel bad about myself. I agree it is not a good feeling to be banned but it was about God then move on and get out of there. Nothing good makes you feel this way.
     
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  7. salt-n-light

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    Remember when Peter felt just to defend Jesus, after He was betrayed by Judas and was about to be taken wrongfully. Peter cut off the slave of the high priest, and Jesus halted Peter, basically said let them take me its God's will, and proceed to heal the soldier's ear. (Luke 22:47-53)

    How often when Jesus ask us to pray we find difficulty, but so quick to draw sword to defend God like Peter.

    Vengeance belongs to the Lord, let God do His job. Our job is to not be a blockage to the gospel and make disciples, by keeping peace and teaching with patience and love. Rebuke, but then reprove and exhort after. Cursing them out might address one sin, but love covers a multitude of sin.

    Being angry is normal, but sin not.(Ephesians 4:26-32)
     
  8. ~Anastasia~

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    Always best to look directly to the words of Jesus.

    51 When the days were approaching for His ascension, He was determined to go to Jerusalem; 52 and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him. 53 But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem. 54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?” 55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; 56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” And they went on to another village.

    If you can bring yourself to pray for them, that is the best thing for your own spirit. You don't have to want to. And you shouldn't try to pretend before God.

    It's ok to pray, "God, you know they have hurt me, and insulted You, and I'm still angry at them. But you instructed us to love our enemies, and to pray for those who despitefully use us, so even though I'm still upset, I'm putting them in Your hands and asking you to have mercy on them. And help me to see them through Your eyes, so I can begin to have Your heart toward them." ... or something along those lines. It's important to want to follow what Christ says, but you don't have to try to manipulate your feelings to like anyone. We do have to undertake the discipline of forgiving others though. But it's not something we can flip on and off like a faucet, and God understands that.

    Nursing a grudge just damages our own souls, making a way for bitterness to take root and grow.

    God be with you.
     
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  9. CoolDude68

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    It's not your fight, let Him handle it. Pray for those lost souls and move on and keep better company. You'll be far less stressed out.

    I am bad on the road. "Road Rage" I pray before I put the vehicle in gear that no matter how rude or arrogant or ignorant people become around me when I drive I remember the verse, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

    Living in a fallen world is difficult but focus on the bigger picture. It won't be like that forever my friend.

    You can stand up for what you believe in, but it should never lead to violence. Remember, that nose you might bust belongs to God too.
     
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  10. AlexDTX

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    Sounds like the preacher misunderstood the point Paul made when he said this.

    Rom_12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.​

    Some people think that this means that by doing good to your enemy you build up vengeance from God. Others think it means that coals of fire were worn in hats to warm the head, therefore by doing good to your enemy you melt their hatred towards you. I agree with the latter opinion.

    Apologetics means to defend and give reasons, not to be sorry as we use it today. It is a discipline of Christian theology used to argue for our faith. But don't be confused. God does not need our defense. The enemy needs our defense so they can be saved.

    As pointed out by others a large portion of Psalms are called the Deprecatory Psalms because they are all about crying out to God for vengeance. Consider, too, the martyrs under the altar in the book of Revelations who are also crying out to God for vengeance. God already knows your heart, so frankness in prayer with him admitting your desire to him is expected by God from us. However, vengeance is still his not ours. Not because God wants to harm others like we do, but because He alone knows how to do so justly and righteously for the benefit of all.
     
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  11. Apologetic_Warrior

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    The world hates the true Christ of Scripture, and they will hate us too, even without reason, it is a blind rage fueled by their hate for Christ. Vengeance is not our business, it belongs to the Lord, and in due time people often reap what they sow. I do think there is a time and place to pray for vengeance upon the enemies of God, a prayer for the justice of God to prevail. This however, has nothing to do with us, and everything to do with the glory of God on display.
     
  12. Blood Bought 1953

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    Righteous anger is not a sin.....be angry and sin not. God says “ I “ will repay.meanwhile, I know no lower feeling than to do something or say something detrimental about somebody,and then find out that person had done something nice for you and you find out that “ enemy” was not so bad after all.This is what Paul was talking about with the “coal” thing...kill them with kindness— it hurts worse than a punch in the nose!
     
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  13. Blood Bought 1953

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    Who said words to the effect that he destroyed all his enemies by making them friends?
     
  14. LoricaLady

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    Yeal, you need to forgive. Recall about forgiveness in the the Lord's Prayer. You need to just pray for those people and let it go and move onto a more congenial group. Let it go. I pray you do.
     
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  15. longwait

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    Then there is something wrong with that preacher. I have never heard any preacher or pastor teach such a thing. Maybe he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Test the spirits always.

    You did the right thing in defending God.

    32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

    33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 10

    But then this is the scripture I came across after I had an argument with someone regarding the law.

    But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned. Titus 3:9-11
     
  16. Jonathan Leo

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    It is right to defend God name but not through a busted nose lol. I feel like cracking heads sometimes too, your not alone.
    Jesus said in your anger do not sin.
    Let's go to the story of the temple markets, should clear a few things up for you. Jesus upturned tables and knocked their merchandise on the floor but never gave the boys a couple of clatters.

    Jesus got angry for the right reasons, however, He did not sin. Anger in and of itself is natural, it's how we allow ourselves to act is where the sin lies. If we are angered because of defending Gods word, this is perfectly ok, but if we become bitter or angry enough to lash out and physically or mentally attack another, then we have sinned. What's worse is afterwards you will realise that the offenders have lowered you to their level and will now mock God even more. " your God is weak " etc etc.

    About the burning coals, I believe that is the outcome of being nice to your enemies. Afterwards your righteousness will melt their heads. They will not understand why they were nasty and you remained pleasant. Were you ever in an argument where you kept your cool?? Who got vexed, who's head was melted?? Exactly

    As for cursing people who mock God,
    I think it would be best for you to defend Gods name but never let yourself get offended. You are just the messenger, it's not your job to judge and exert vengeance. That's Gods job, and "vengeance is mine, I will repay"
    As for calling down fire, we are not Elijah lol although as I stated, sometimes I wish I could.

    I think it's best to pray to God to open their eyes and to have mercy on them for mocking you lord. That's what Jesus did when they were persecuting Him. He is our living example and should live accordingly. Not taken it personally because you too were once lost. Also not taken it personally and leaving all judgment to God gives you a great sense of peace.
     
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