Zeke37:
the 144,000 are NOT ALL JEWS, only 12,000 are (read it for yourself) but are comprised mainly of the scattered tribes, who crossed the Caucusis mountains and settled much of Europe....became the Christian nations of today. the elect shall come out of ALL 12 tribes, not just ONE tribe.
The 144,000 are all Hebrews. There are 12,000 from each tribe. (Many people, myself included, loosely use the word Jews to refer to all of the twelve tribes; I will try to be more specific in the future)
no problem....many use the word "jew" to describe both houses (Judah and Israel), a process that leads to confusion.
There are no Gentiles among the 144,000, as you seem to be saying.
no, I am not saying that.
It appears here that you are espousing British Israelism, a cultic teaching once promoted by Herbert W. Armstrong and his Worldwide Church of God.
I personally don't care who is promoting what, but I do agree that the Northern tribes migrated into peoples and nations, mainly of Europe...including the british Isles. God defines who they are and were and have become. There are just no other peoples who they could be...
British Israelites taught that the European nations were descended from various tribes from among the 10 lost tribes of Israel. This view was never taken seriously by any respected historian, and has long ago been thoroughly discredited.
sure it has been taken seriously...archeology proves this to be true...e. raymond capp for one.
the "lost tribes" were scattered into the general population and have become the Christian nations of today...basically.
so there are many who are called gentile, that are not, but are of those lost tribes.....direct descendants, known by other names...
Zeke37:
5 of the 7 church systems are corrupt in the end times as Rev2-3 teach. but the 2 that are good are seen in Rev11 against the beast (2 candlesticks)....as the rest (the other 5) are apostate and follow the beast, be it in ignorance...
Rev. 2 and 3 contain critiques of seven churches as they existed in the first century when Revelation was written. I do not believe that these chapters have any eschatological significance whatsoever.
well, I certainly do...it ios the revelation of Christ to us, and understanding when andf where John went to receive his vision, may shed light on that fact. He was taken to the Lord's Day, and saw the events around then...before and after...
these letters are within that time period...
so I see a definite prophetic link to them
Zeke37:
air/spirit in the Hebrew is Ruach (I'm sure you know what that means)
and many times in Greek it is Pneuma (pneumatic tires) but sometimes aer is used in example and symbolism. All can mean air that we breath, the wind, or the spirit beit man's or God's, depending on the verse.
Paul uses aer here in I Thes. 4:17. As used ih the NT, it just means air and little more. (See Acts 22:23, I Cor. 9:26, 14:9; Rev. 9:2, etc.)
wow, seriously?
trump/blast/Spirit, spirit, spirit body, unseeable forse...many things that air is used for...and yes, sometimes it is used of the air we breath.
couple the air body (breath of life body) with that of 1Cor15...
Zeke37:
and God is against the pre trib rapture theory...as Ez13 states.
LOL. You are really begging the question here, arent you! Ezekiel 13 says nothing at all about the rapture!
God is against those peple who teach His children to fly to save their souls.
This passage addresses false prophets, period.
which the rapture is part of....God even goes into a little detail, describing fales hope fales religion....fales prophets preying on christians
First of all, we are not even speaking about prophesying. Prophesying has to do with the speaking forth of new revelation directly from God.
not so alone...prophesy is also reading the Word of God...telling His prophesies to others...
Nobody is doing that here! Second, you are using Ezekiel 13 as a one size fits all passage; a pretribulationist could equally well apply this to you!
I do not teach God's children to fly to save their souls as pre trib does?
I will not comment on the rest of your discussion. It seems to be largely a lot of emotional ranting with very little substance. In other words, there is a lot of heat and not much light.
well, I've been in pre trib, and I am ever greatful for not being there anymore...
It looks like you are on the right track with your study tools, but you really need to invest in some good commentaries rather than running amok through the Bible.
the commentary of man? I'd prefer the Word...not that you don't....but I know what you mean.
Every good teacher and preacher relies heavily on the scholarship of others.
Well I'll give ya that...who do you trust? I do not find value in many of the mainstream teachers.
We stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before. By yourself, like Humpty Dumpty you dont seem to be able to put the pieces together correctly.
huh? why because I disagree with your view? Perhaps it is not I that needs to fit the pieces together?
The more you say, the more you prove the points that I made in my earlier post!