A Pondering of the Peculiar (4)

[GenemZ]

Not really. I'll give you the same task I gave Dad: provide a definition of "tolerant" or "enlightened" that involves discrimination against 10% of the population. If you can't accurately use those words to characterize your stance on homosexuality, you're on the wrong side.

Why don't you apply your theory of evolution to gays?

Its nature's way of keeping undesirable DNA out of the gene pool.

Still an evolutionist?

On the other hand.. God rejects no one who turns to Christ.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

We do not know if its 10 percent. Live and let live is my motto. Its the gays who are the antagonists in this round. They arrogantly make demands and then scream homophobe when they get some push back. Its like anyone who was critical of Obama's failed policies got labelled a 'racist.' Its a liberal ploy of getting the other on the defensive when the opposition is correct. Its a manipulative tactic. Underhanded one at that.



Only Christianity.

Oh, my mistake. I guess it's fine to condemn a subset of the population as long as we're not sure of the exact numbers. Give me a break. Your motto doesn't seem to be live and let live. From what you've said it's more like"Live and let live as long as I'm not aware of it". But you didn't answer my question; are you trying to convince us that you aren't a homophobe or that being a homophobe is fine?

And wrong again. I also have no issue with Christianity. My issue is with ignorance and, in this case, intolerance.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's a stalker's mentality.

What if the person they should "have a right to marry" doesn't love them?

What if the person they love is 9 years old? should they have a right to marry that person?

Fine, I will be more precise. To me if you truly love someone if they do not want to marry you you will set them free. The case I was speaking of was clearly of two people, adults, that love each other.

You are clutching at straws by bringing issues that have no bearing on the discussion at hand.

So would you like to try again honestly?

 

[GenemZ]

Wait a second. What arrogant demands do homosexuals demand? What rights do they want that you do not have already?

Education system. They should keep sexual orientation teaching out of the schools. They never taught us to be straight. Matter of fact, homosexuality was never taught about either.

I would like to hear one.

It seems the main "demand" that they have is that gets extremists so riled is that of the right to marry the person that they love.

Why is it so often in such marriages that one presumes the male persona, and the other is the female? Why should one presume the actions of someone of the opposite sex, if its the same sex they desire?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why don't you apply your theory of evolution to gays?

Its nature's way of keeping undesirable DNA out of the gene pool.

Still an evolutionist?

On the other hand.. God rejects no one who turns to Christ.

Amazingly it still works, since there is no one "gay gene". It is much more complex than that. The traits that can cause homosexuality could also cause populations to work together. Though a few would be lost to the breeding pool by not reproducing the population would prosper over a group of rugged individuals that that would not work together.

Remember it is populations that evolve, not individuals. It is a common creationist mistake to focus on the individual.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Education system. They should keep sexual orientation teaching out of the schools. They never taught us to be straight. Matter of fact, homosexuality was never taught about either.

Unfortunately that is not possible. Our sexuality is too much of our lives to keep it wrapped up and secret. Are you trying to say that they should outlaw all boyfriends and girlfriends all of the way through grade school? And since someone may be homosexual same sex friends should be banned to. You never no where that may lead.

It is not going to happen.

Why is it so often in such marriages that one presumes the male persona, and the other is the female? Why should one presume the actions of someone of the opposite sex, if its the same sex they desire?

What? Your question is not clear.

As far as the reading material goes I have not seen it. As long as it simply point out the fact that some kids have two mommies or daddies what is so wrong with that? It teaches kids not to attack other kids just because their parents are different. Or is even that out of bounds for you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Fine, I will be more precise.

And still precisely wrong.

To me if you truly love someone if they do not want to marry you you will set them free.

You can't let go of that stalker's mentality, can you?

What if the person they love doesn't know them from Adam?

Isn't it sweet that Brady Green was willing to let Tyra Banks go?

Now that's true love, isn't it?

The case I was speaking of was clearly of two people, adults, that love each other.

What if one is 9 years old?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And still precisely wrong.

You can't let go of that stalker's mentality, can you?

What if the person they love doesn't know them from Adam?

Isn't it sweet that Brady Green was willing to let Tyra Banks go?

Now that's true love, isn't it?

What if one is 9 years old?

Look at you!!!

You cannot be honest and incorrectly break up a post.

There is no stalker mentality. That seems to be a problem of yours. How is letting someone go who does not love you back stalking?

It seems that you do not even know what love is.

How sad.

And last time I checked adults were not 9 years old.

Or are you asking what if a 9 year old loved an adult? That is why we have age of consent laws. Children are not able to fully judge the consequences of their actions. That is why they are off limit from adults for certain actions.

Quit trying to make homosexuality about pedophilia. That is more often a heterosexual crime than a homosexual one. So why not ban heterosexuals from marrying? Your so called logic fails again.

 

[AV1611VET]

How is letting someone go who does not love you back stalking?

Ask Tyra Banks.

 

[GenemZ]

As far as the reading material goes I have not seen it. As long as it simply point out the fact that some kids have two mommies or daddies what is so wrong with that? It teaches kids not to attack other kids just because their parents are different. Or is even that out of bounds for you?

Its not out of bounds for me. Actually, its evidence as to why that God had to send His Son to die on the Cross. The reason for His sacrifice is evident.

But, not just for the most extreme examples like the one cited. But, for all men. Because all men fall short of God's righteousness. The way the world is, is solid evidence that God had perfect reason to have a Cross. One to take care of all that man has fallen to... that would keep man from being what God always intends man to be.

You confuse me too readily with small minded fundies. I wish you would remove those stereotyping glasses. But, that too is not out of bounds for me if you should wish to cling to them tenaciously. Again, that would be once more evidence as to why God's Son needed to die on a Cross 2000 years ago.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ask Tyra Banks.

So as usual you have no clue.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Its not out of bounds for me. Actually, its evidence as to why that God had to send His Son to die on the Cross. The reason for His sacrifice is evident.

But, not just for the most extreme examples like the one cited. But, for all men. Because all men fall short of God's righteousness. The way the world is, is solid evidence that God had perfect reason to have a Cross. One to take care of all that man has fallen to... that would keep man from being what God always intends man to be.

You confuse me too readily with small minded fundies. I wish you would remove those stereotyping glasses. But, that too is not out of bounds for me if you should wish to cling to them tenaciously. Again, that would be once more evidence as to why God's Son needed to die on a Cross 2000 years ago.

If you want me to quit confusing you with small minded fundies then may I suggest that you stop acting like one.

 

[GenemZ]

Remember it is populations that evolve, not individuals. It is a common creationist mistake to focus on the individual.

Young Earth Creationists are not the only way of thinking for Creationists. It seems I have to keep repeating this factor here. Evolutionists can be just as slow as anyone else when their bias buttons are pushed to the 'on' position. Bias is like how a car drives when needing a wheel alignment. Not all creationists think the same. I am patiently waiting for you to evolve on that issue.

Hitler caused his population to evolve. Stalin did his. Ho Chi Minh, his. Societies do not evolve necessarily on the biological level.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I went to the St. Louis zoo and saw no baby infants in the monkey house. Apes produce apes. Humans produce humans. Genesis 1:25-26

Off topic a bit there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Young Earth Creationists are not the only way of thinking for Creationists. It seems I have to keep repeating this factor here. Evolutionists can be just as slow as anyone else when their bias buttons are pushed to the 'on' position. Bias is like how a car drives when needing a wheel alignment. Not all creationists think the same. I am patiently waiting for you to evolve on that issue.

Hitler caused his population to evolve. Stalin did his. Ho Chi Minh, his. Societies do not evolve necessarily on the biological level.

You should not be so proud of yourself for not being a YEC. The only difference between you and them is your scale of error. Their errors are far grosser than yours. You are still severely wrong.

 

[GenemZ]

You should not be so proud of yourself for not being a YEC. The only difference between you and them is your scale of error. Their errors are far grosser than yours. You are still severely wrong.

If you say so. (you also say there is no God)

I know Jesus Christ is real. YEC's do too. Right there we both got it right. Or, should I say? He got us right.

 

[GenemZ]

Amazingly it still works, since there is no one "gay gene". It is much more complex than that.

No gay gene. It may be a deficiency that causes the drive to deflect and thus weeding out what ever the DNA problem really is.

Of course, Evolution in its great wisdom sorted this all out over a billion years. Or? maybe its an autoimmune type of disorder... Could be.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you say so. (you also say there is no God)

I know Jesus Christ is real. YEC's do too. Right there we both got it right. Or, should I say? He got us right.

Nope, atheists do not say there is no god. Who told you that?

And Jesus may have been a real person, no one has given any valid reason to believe in the mythical parts of his life.

Atheists are convinced by evidence. Where is your evidence?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No gay gene. It may be a deficiency that causes the drive to deflect and thus weeding out what ever the DNA problem really is.

Of course, Evolution in its great wisdom sorted this all out over a billion years. Or? maybe its an autoimmune type of disorder... Could be.

Since homosexuality prevails in all sorts of vertebrates it is highly doubtful that it will be "weeded out". It is more likely that it is part of the drive that cause people to work together.

That idea really bugs literalists. That the drive that makes some people gay is the same one that influenced the Good Samaritan.

 

[GenemZ]

Atheists are convinced by evidence. Where is your evidence?

You think I have no evidence. I understand. I really do. But, you are going about it all wrong.

That is not the right way to ask the question.

The right way is to ask...

Can you share the evidence that you have with me?

No, I can not open a bottle and pour you some.

I would have to tell you.. Believe a man named Jesus died on a Cross for your sins. But, if you do not think you are a sinner? Pass it by. Its not for you. You do not need a savior. Only imperfect people do.