A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[AV1611VET]

You keep forgetting that Hitler said that he was a Catholic.

Ya ... of course he would.

So he wouldn't incur the wrath of the Catholics in Germany.

You forget that, in his early years, he needed their votes.

And if I say I'm an airline pilot, would that make me an airline pilot?

 

[biggles53]

Ya ... of course he would.

So he wouldn't incur the wrath of the Catholics in Germany.

You forget that, in his early years, he needed their votes.

And if I say I'm an airline pilot, would that make me an airline pilot?

Apples and oranges.....to be a pilot involves a certain skill set that must be demonstrated. To claim a certain religious belief requires no such test...

AV crashes to failure yet again.....

 

[AV1611VET]

To claim a certain religious belief requires no such test...

Then what is Catechism? New Convert's class? or the like?

You think you can claim you're an Independent Fundamental Baptist and fool us on a test?

If so, you'd better study -- hard.

 

[biggles53]

Then what is Catechism? New Convert's class? or the like?

You think you can claim you're an Independent Fundamental Baptist and fool us on a test?

If so, you'd better study -- hard.

Ah...you can pass that test....shows that you've learnt that material. Doesn't show you are a believing Baptist....we have to take your word for that...

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah...you can pass that test....shows that you've learnt that material. Doesn't show you are a believing Baptist....we have to take your word for that...

Just don't tell me Hitler was a Christian because a) he had Gott Mit Uns on his belt buckle, and b) he claimed he was a Catholic; and expect me to believe it.

Hitler may have fooled you, but not me.

A dead giveaway was his scientific treatment of the Jews.

JERUSALEM

My guess is that Hitler thought the Jews were ignorant, bronze age, goat-herding nomads.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just don't tell me Hitler was a Christian because a) he had Gott Mit Uns on his belt buckle, and b) he claimed he was a Catholic; and expect me to believe it.

Hitler may have fooled you, but not me.

A dead giveaway was his scientific treatment of the Jews.

JERUSALEM

My guess is that Hitler thought the Jews were ignorant, bronze age, goat-herding nomads.

He treated the Jews no worse than many other Christians have. That excuse will not fly. He may not have been a Southern Baptist but he was still a Christian.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ya ... of course he would.

So he wouldn't incur the wrath of the Catholics in Germany.

You forget that, in his early years, he needed their votes.

And if I say I'm an airline pilot, would that make me an airline pilot?

Torturing and killing Jews is a time honored Christian tradition. Look at the various inquistitons. Hitler was not your typical 20th century Christian he was more of a 15th or 16th century Christian.

 

[bhsmte]

You are terribly naive about political expediency. I suppose you also think Obama is a Christian just because he says so.

Who is to judge whether a person is a Christian or not, if they say they are?

 

[PsychoSarah]

You are terribly naive about political expediency. I suppose you also think Obama is a Christian just because he says so.

Are you seriously going to go the "Obama is a Muslim" route? The guy drinks alcoholic beverages; if he was an actual Muslim, he wouldn't do that. How about criticizing a person for traits they actually have rather than imagined ones, it's not as if there is nothing true you can't criticize Obama for, everyone has flaws.

Overall, I would say that, given the situations that Obama had to deal with and how he reacted to them, that he was about an average president who was good in some situations and did less than spectacular in others.

 

[bhsmte]

Are you seriously going to go the "Obama is a Muslim" route? The guy drinks alcoholic beverages; if he was an actual Muslim, he wouldn't do that. How about criticizing a person for traits they actually have rather than imagined ones, it's not as if there is nothing true you can't criticize Obama for, everyone has flaws.

Overall, I would say that, given the situations that Obama had to deal with and how he reacted to them, that he was about an average president who was good in some situations and did less than spectacular in others.

When Christians have to resort to declaring others are not Christians when they state they are, you know they are grasping for straws.

 

[PsychoSarah]

When Christians have to resort to declaring others are not Christians when they state they are, you know they are grasping for straws.

What I don't understand is why they resort to that when there are legitimate things you can criticize Obama for. Usually those sorts of tactics don't start being used unless people run out of ammunition. That, or by people ignorant of politics that don't want to make the effort to learn about it but still want to complain.

 

[bhsmte]

What I don't understand is why they resort to that when there are legitimate things you can criticize Obama for. Usually those sorts of tactics don't start being used unless people run out of ammunition. That, or by people ignorant of politics that don't want to make the effort to learn about it but still want to complain.

Common defense mechanism; "they aren't as good as me" or, "they are not a true Christian". It is all one and the same. What gets me, is with SO MANY denominations of Christianity, that anyone can claim to declare someone else is not a Christian.

Regarding Obama, major disappointment after voting for him in 08, the guy is a very poor leader, but that has nothing to do with him being a Christian.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Common defense mechanism; "they aren't as good as me" or, "they are not a true Christian". It is all one and the same. What gets me, is with SO MANY denominations of Christianity, that anyone can claim to declare someone else is not a Christian.

Regarding Obama, major disappointment after voting for him in 08, the guy is a very poor leader, but that has nothing to do with him being a Christian.

I always view voting for a president as trying to pick the lesser of two evils. Ultimately, Congress is more important in changing how the country is run, and I feel that the expectations people shove onto presidents are always too high, seeing as they don't choose what policies get through Congress. Obama had a few messes from George W. Bush to deal with also, so I think that, given the circumstances, Obama did ok, and I appreciate the fact that the guy did try.

 

[GenemZ]

I was always taught to turn the other cheek, myself. Sound familiar?

Many fail to see the context of Jesus words...

Why even mention being slapped in the face? Jews who lived under the Law for centuries were highly civilized towards one another. So? Why a special message about being slapped in the face?

Israel was under the heavy heel of the Roman occupation. Roman soldiers would at times mistreat Jews. Jesus was telling them how to stay alive when confronted. When he slaps you? Turn the other cheek. Because, if you get proud and fight back (religious Jews despised the Goyim Roman presence in their land) you may end up being hurt much worse for fighting back.

Remember, the Romans soldiers could easily be brutal when they took a disliking for a Jew. Jesus was teaching passive resistance for his conquered people.

And yes, arrogantly rude. Of course, you wouldn't think so - but then, the arrogant rarely see their own flaws. It's a big part of why they're so arrogant.

Some never see their flaws. If one believes in evolution, they can just blame it on their DNA.

 

[GenemZ]

Common defense mechanism; "they aren't as good as me" or, "they are not a true Christian". It is all one and the same.

A Christian who studies God's word knows clearly that he is not better in his natural state than anyone else. That he was saved by grace. Not because he is such a good person. That is why we see some of the raunchy Christians. For, God saves anyone who is willing to believe.

Religious people feel they are better than others. They are the kind that Christians have a hard time reasoning with.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

You folks lack are marketing a bill of goods you that you have been sold on. Just like any religious fanatic pushes his wares. Just like doctors who push dangerous prescription drugs because they have been sold on the marketing of drug companies with all their alleged scientific data. And,then fight in the audacity of the drug companies who want to suppress the honest people who can offer safe alternatives.

This is your response to the accusation that you don't really know what you're talking about well enough to intelligently discuss the validity of evolutionary theory. You complained about being told you didn't really understand the theory, claiming evolutionists just focus on technicalities. Then it was pointed out to you that you just recently asked a common creationist question that demonstrates the veracity of the claim that you don't really understand evolution well enough to criticize it. And your response is this evasive conspiracy rant.

I guess I'm wondering if you plan to address the accusation that you don't really understand evolution in light of the evidence presented or if you will keep trying to pretend no one mentioned it.

 

[lasthero]

Many fail to see the context of Jesus words... Why even mention being slapped in the face?

Some never see their flaws.

Some people don't think they have any at all. Or, at least, act like it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

A Christian knows he is not better than anyone else. That he is saved by grace, not because he is such a good person. Just take a good look at some of the raunchy Christians. God saves anyone who is willing to believe.

So god saves rapists, pedophiles, and murderers so long as they are willing to believe, and will damn firefighters, charity workers, and generally decent human beings to hell for not believing? If that were the case, I don't think heaven would end up much better than hell.

 

[GenemZ]

This is your response to the accusation that you don't really know what you're talking about well enough to intelligently discuss the validity of evolutionary theory.

For argument sake.

If anyone did know enough? Would he believe it?

 

[PsychoSarah]

For argument sake.

If anyone did know enough? Would he believe it?

Well, he/she, for one, and yes, you can know a lot about evolution and still agree with it without compromising religious belief.