A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[USincognito]

That is a talking point used a many times. Evolutionists either are playing a manipulative game, or are really too dull to know that someone can disagree and also understand the basic tenets.

Poppycock! Just last night you asked how a species could evolve a female and then wait around a million years for a male of the same species to evolve. Anyone asking that question doesn't have a grasp on the most fundamental fundementals of evolution.

Not refuted so much. But rather, evaded by some means of interjecting some technicality that forbids a scientist to be a human being for a moment and think outside the rigid box they place their mind in.

Fantasy on your part. For example, your question about a female of a new species waiting around a million years for a male of that new species has been refuted a thousand time (at least), yet you still asked it. It was refuted by me and you never responded.

EV's target certain individuals that are easy pickins and like to swab that persons position onto the others in the debate, as if all are the same. Or we should police him. What you just said was a perfect example of that ploy.

Whatever are you going on about? I was referring generically to the many Creationists who ignore correction of and continue to repeat misconceptions (and in many cases, outright falsehoods) and cited one example. I did just the opposite of what you're claiming.

No... they want to get beyond the facts that you have forced into your own agenda interpretation, and they want to show you reasons why your assumption has to be illogical.

More poppycock. They are in over their head when trying to discuss a scientific topic replete with supporting facts and evidences and, when they can't handle the science, the facts or the evidence, they resort to metaphysical red herrings, metadebate (about the tone rather than the content) or other philisophical distractions that are not germane to the subject at hand.

Its not pain. Its sadness. Its not us we are concerned about.

Not a big fan of metaphorical phrases, are we.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Assumed natural environments.
So does still water when you throw in a pebble. The fact remains that it does not produce DNA. Well? What's the point?

Not assumed. You are sounding too much like E.D.. At the worst you could claim they were deduced natural environments.

How did those amino acids end up existing? They work with the presumption that matter has always been existing. That matter is like God. Always existing. Yet? When an atheist wants to balk about God? They note that no one can explain how God could be always existing. But as far as matter? Of course its always been existing. That amino acids and enzymes are somehow timeless. But God? Impossible.

No one claims that they are timeless. We know that amino acids naturally form in space. They are found in meteorites today. And we can observe amino acids in space:

Meteorite Holds Amino Acid Surprise : Discovery News

Amino acid found in deep space - 18 July 2002 - New Scientist

Also they were shown to form in a possible early Earth environment over 40 years ago.

And, then we run to the big bang to tell me that matter did not always exist. That out of nothing it all just happened. Its insane for me to consider, but is a convenient hiding place for those who hate God enough to set up walls of their own invention as not want to be bothered. Its like a self absorbed child who's parents tell him to turn off the TV and go to his room to sleep. That kind of hatred begins there.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
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TOE is an invention designed for the suppression of the truth about God. One that lies against reality and common sense. All done with a "we know better" mentality. Its an offensive that wishes to dismantle the openness of others towards the knowledge of God, in such a way, as to peer-pressure others into their own suppressing of the truth. Truth that could be self evident to any agenda-free mind.

No, the Big Bang does not necessarily say that all matter came from nothing. Though it may be possible. The Big Bang theory can only take us back to the singularity, not before. The furthest back that can be calculated is a fraction of a second at least after the universe came into being. It is possible that it has always existed.

And there is no hatred of God. That is a paranoid reaction. How can someone hate something that does not exist?

 

[SkyWriting]

No, the Big Bang does not necessarily say that all matter came from nothing. Though it may be possible. The Big Bang theory can only take us back to the singularity, not before.

That's a mighty big cop-out. Physics does not allow for
Creation from nothing. A supernatural first cause is the
only option.

More important, the science-fiction story of the big-bang
(note: It was infinitely tiny and silent)
is just a story about what might have happened.
There is no such thing as scientific history. No Such Thing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's a mighty big cop-out. Physics does not allow for
Creation from nothing. A supernatural first cause is the
only option.

More important, the science-fiction story of the big-bang
(note: It was infinitely tiny and silent)
is just a story about what might have happened.
There is no such thing as scientific history. No Such Thing.

No, an honest answer is never a cop out. And physics does allow creation from nothing:

Casimir effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

And of course there is a scientific history. Don't dismiss ideas that you do not understand.

 

[Sayre]

And of course there is a scientific history. Don't dismiss ideas that you do not understand.

And it doesn't matter, for the God hypothesis, if a physical understanding exists or not. The hypotheses are not in conflict.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Your ancestors.

And yours.

It did not imply that. I said it would have been even more impossible.

To be honest, I'm not entirely convinced you know what you're saying.

Secular pontificating does not work with those who know truth.

Nothing works against denial.

You should know that by now.

Yes, I'm aware you have a closed mind that allows in no new information that doesn't fit with your version of the world.

The type of answers you provided require one to be ignoring too many details to be credible.

The theory of evolution is the only answer that fits the evidence. That it fits the evidence so exactly and is verified by many independent lines of enquiry is a problem deniers have to work hard to ignore. Mostly they manage this by remaining ignorant about it or by reading creationist propaganda.

Your ability to believe anything that smacks data-talk makes reasoning with you near impossible.

Smacks (of) data-talk? Oh dear, I see that science is a foreign and intimidating landscape for you. Fear often begets prejudice. You are aware I suppose that reasoning is the very thing you are afraid of with what you call "data-talk"?

I kns something you have to work hard to ignore.

The only ignoring being done here is by you.

This is why ow you believe that Christians believe in an imaginary God.

Well, in light of the complete absence of evidence for said god along with perfectly straightforward psychological explanations for man's bias towards anthropomorphising anything it doesn't understand or can't control, the chances of him being anything other than imaginary are looking slim.

You simply believe in your imagination.

Says the man who rejects anything to do with "data-talk", or science as it's more commonly known, because of the implications it may have for his imaginary friend.

Not one thing you stated as an alleged answer is verifiable.

Oh, evolution has a mountain of evidence supporting it. You yourself are walking evidence of evolution. But specific things I said... How about milk only being digestible by certain human populations? Didn't that pique your interest at all? No? I've alway thought it very suggestive.

Its all conjecture working with certain facts.

I wasn't about to do a whole lot of research just to answer your question on a discussion forum, but clearing up some of your grosser misconceptions was fairly easy. The allergic way you reacted to your questions being answered has actually been more revealing than your questions themselves.

Its only in your imagination that it is true.

Well, that and the overwhelming amount of evidence of course. If only you could say the same about your god.

Only conjecture that the evolutionist wants the secular world to accept without questioning its validity.

You must find out how science works sometime, it'll stop you making these silly statements.

 

[GenemZ]

Poppycock! Just last night you asked how a species could evolve a female and then wait around a million years for a male of the same species to evolve. Anyone asking that question doesn't have a grasp on the most fundamental fundementals of evolution.

You folks lack are marketing a bill of goods you that you have been sold on. Just like any religious fanatic pushes his wares. Just like doctors who push dangerous prescription drugs because they have been sold on the marketing of drug companies with all their alleged scientific data. And,then fight in the audacity of the drug companies who want to suppress the honest people who can offer safe alternatives.

The world is filled with corruption and dishonesty. Its run on the drive of corruption and dishonesty. Jesus told his disciples that they are not to be of this world. Hello world. What lies and BS will you be offering us today?

If there were no God? I would still find the theory of evolution as its now being presented as the basis for explaining the beginning of life as audacious. Its a theory loved by men who are obsessed with their own abilities and gifts. Just like Elton John who is obsessed with himself because he has abilities and gifts. But in this case. Its about science, not music.

Life can not come out from matter without having some outside intelligent force. One that has a genius for design, at the helm.

If we all know a car can not spontaneously manufacture itself? And it can not! Then to be producing something living, which is infinity more complex than any car? With that? Evolutionists have no problem with. Why? Because, they have no problem with something evolving *after* its alive.

There is a big problem with that logic through. Sure, once living something could evolve.

But, getting matter to become alive in the first place and forming into a complex biological machine is the impossibility! When asked how life could begin? They always defer that question to someone else who is never there. And, then continue on with their marketing ploy.

Its nonsense. At least a fairy tale we can know is fantasy. With evolution its a form of mental tyranny that wants to ascend to gaining control of the minds of men. Its war. Real war. We are at war. Cold war. But, war none the less.

Enjoy the battle. It will end up going up in flames. Biological function that we have can not have started with something stupid that kept on getting more and more intelligent. Then stopped. How convenient.

Its your fairy tale against mine. Yours is one of a mindless creator and designer. Mine, is all knowing. Which fairy tale makes more sense? The one of mindlessness creating what no human genius could ever dream of creating? Or, having a creator who exceeds the intelligence of the created?


You can have this world. It can never evolve itself into peace and perfection. Look at the world today. Any better than 3000 BC?

 

[GenemZ]

Says the man who rejects anything to do with "data-talk", or science as it's more commonly known, because of the implications it may have for his imaginary friend.

They are looking to hire.

 

[lasthero]

You can have this world. It can never evolve itself into peace and perfection. Look at the world today. Any better than 3000 BC?

Yes.

 

[bhsmte]

"Marketing a bill of goods that we have been sold"?

Did he really just say that?

 

[GenemZ]

Says the man who rejects anything to do with "data-talk", or science as it's more commonly known, because of the implications it may have for his imaginary friend.

I do not reject the data. I reject your forced conclusion concerning the data. I rather like the data actually. For, it reveals the unlimited genius of my Lord in what He has invented and manufactured by creation.

Without Him you would not be alive. Yes... He wanted you to live.

 

[GenemZ]

Yes.

That the bag. But its all empty. No substance to qualify your yes. Typical.

 

[GenemZ]

Not assumed. You are sounding too much like E.D.

Wrong. I do not need Viagra.

 

[lasthero]

That the bag. But its all empty. No substance to qualify your yes. Typical.

There was exactly as much substance in my post as your entire rant.

 

[lasthero]

Wrong. I do not need Viagra.

Too much information.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

They are looking to hire.

Lol, so now telling you that you are wrong makes me a nazi. Isn't that called godwin's law where the person making the comparison has no argument left?

 

[GenemZ]

There was exactly as much substance in my post as your entire rant.

This is all you quoted of me.

You can have this world. It can never evolve itself into peace and perfection. Look at the world today. Any better than 3000 BC?

Well? In what way? Technology? Or, the thinking and actions of men?

Or, was your "yes" an affirmation that the world will never evolve into peace and perfection?

 

[GenemZ]

Lol, so now telling you that you are wrong makes me a nazi. Isn't that called godwin's law where the person making the comparison has no argument left?

Its all about attitude. There were Nazi sympathizers in England, too. Its all about attitude.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Its all about attitude. There were Nazi sympathizers in England, too. Its all about attitude.

Demonising people for disagreeing with you isn't helping the credibility of your argument, not that you had an argument, but you ought to realise that resorting to that ploy is all about making yourself feel better and nothing else.

 

[bhsmte]

Wrong. I do not need Viagra.

Congratulations!