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a physical body in heaven?

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Your denial of the resurrection of the body goes clearly against what is written in the Scriptures, so even by your own standard of judgment what you believe is heresy.

-CryptoLutheran

For what you say to be true, then you would have to DISPROVE what the Scriptures say in 2 Corinthians 5:1, in 1 Corinthians 15:42-50, in 1 Corinthians 15:45 & 47 about Christ's resurrection, in 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 1 Peter 4:5-6 about the "spirits in prison" of men in Old Testament times that had died and were in the heavenly prison, in Isaiah 42:7 which is about that event of Christ freeing those "spirits in prison" of 1 Peter 3, and in Matthew 22:30 where Jesus said those of the resurrection "are as the angels of God in heaven".

There's more Scriptures that reveals the difference in the two dimension bodies, but this ought to be enough to keep you real... busy studying The Bible on this matter. If you just want to throw out hot air blame without back up, then no true believer on Christ should even waste their time trying to show you anything.
 
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Have you ever looked up the Scriptures that you quote in any Bible commentary?
 
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Are we going to feel uncomfortable without a body from death until the Eschaton?
 
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Interesting, not flesh and blood? Jesus was incarnate before He came to earth? Maybe I am not understand you correctly.
 
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Where in Scripture does it say that God has a body or physical form?
 
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Bodies of Angels are described in the Bible
Where would that be Angles are spirit beings without form, they can take on physical form as they did when they appeared to man.
 
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Yes, only by revelation can we know anything of the things of God. One of the things I learned early in my Christian life was to ask for the Spirit of wisdom and revelation. I hardly ever hear that preached, yet it is vital for spiritual growth.
Do you believe that special revelation is available to everyone if they pray for it? Is special revelation required to understand Scripture?
 
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what Scriptural evidence do you have for the new concepts you are introducing?
 
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Are we going to feel uncomfortable without a body from death until the Eschaton?
I suppose a theologian would think of our condition there as part way home and then completed at the time referred to.

The entire scenario (physical death, the Tribulation, the Second Coming, Final Judgment, etc.) seems to be one that's developing or unfolding in the direction of the ultimate glory.
 
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Wisdom! Let us attend!
 
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That’s not a sound exegesis of the text and it clashes with St. Thomas the Apostle physically touching the wounds of our Lord.
 
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Where in Scripture does it say that God has a body or physical form?

Aside from the human nature hypostatically united with God in the person of Jesus Christ, Scripture is clear that God is a spirit, and that God the Father hs never been seen, except as revealed by the Som in the incarnation.

Also, it is always a huge red flag that someone is dealing with a heterodox sect when people use demeaning phrases like “hirelings in their pulpits” to refer to the grossly underpaid clergy of the traditional churches, many of whom don’t even use pulpits (clergy in the Eastern Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, and Syriac Orthodox churches preach from the ambo, and Armenian and Chaldean priests preach from the Bema).
 
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How will we know each other prior to the time we get our new bodies?

With God all things are possible. I don't know if the issue is one of recognition so much as it is one of individual expression. Peter had no problem recognising Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration. (Matt.17:1-4)
 
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Do you believe that special revelation is available to everyone if they pray for it? Is special revelation required to understand Scripture?
Revelation yes, special, no. Lord Jesus said that it was the work of the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth. This He does by revelation. It's nothing spooky or exclusive.

Paul prayed that all believers would receive the Spirit of Wisdom and revelation. I asked for that and received it. Some people with particular gifts receive more revelation. That's what the gift of prophecy is about. Until Lord Jesus returns, revelation will still be essential for spiritual growth.
 
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With God all things are possible. I don't know if the issue is one of recognition so much as it is one of individual expression. Peter had no problem recognising Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration. (Matt.17:1-4)
Now that is an interesting point, Peter could not have know what they looked like so how did he recognize them? Jesus must have introduced them.
 
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How do you validate that your understanding of Scripture is from the Holy Spirit and not your own understanding? To be more clear, how do you know when the thought pops into your head that it came from the Holy Spirit and not your subconscious mind?
 
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