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Our sinful desires are part of our death-centric lives. Once we pass through death and leave that part of ourselves that always lives with death on the horizon (or physical bodies), our souls will be liberated from those desires.
Our sinful desires are part of our death-centric lives. Once we pass through death and leave that part of ourselves that always lives with death on the horizon (or physical bodies), our souls will be liberated from those desires.
Of course, souls are also sinful, and thus Christians believe that we need to be forgiven as well as simply dying. But the source of the evil inclinations is our flesh, as we seek to satiate it.
Well whether you look at it as a good thing or bad isn't all that relevant is it? The result either way is that choice is taken from you...correct?
Gotcha. So why not make us as such now? Why wait until we get into heaven?
Our sinful desires are part of our death-centric lives. Once we pass through death and leave that part of ourselves that always lives with death on the horizon (or physical bodies), our souls will be liberated from those desires.
Of course, souls are also sinful, and thus Christians believe that we need to be forgiven as well as simply dying. But the source of the evil inclinations is our flesh, as we seek to satiate it.
I don't think that choice is taken. It's more like you transcend to such a point that you become fully aware of 'reality,' and you wouldn't want to choose against God.
God could've created a perfect world fully inhabited full of glorified forgiven sinners. He could've created the consummate state right from the start, I suppose. But instead he started with one human couple, allowed them to fall into sin, and initiated a several thousand year process of redemption that is still not yet complete.
I suppose he wanted a story to unfold.
This is interesting. I haven't heard anyone put it this way before. What are some sinful desires that you'd identify that exist because of the reality of death?
So...he changes you in a way that you wouldn't ever want to disobey him...to do anything he wouldn't want you doing....is that about it?
"Unfold" shouldn't be a word in the dictionary of a deity that knows everything, past, present, and future.
To add to my previous post... It was God's will that heaven would be inhabited by forgiven, glorified sinners (ex-sinners). The story of sin and redemption has to be part of that if that's what he wants, right?
I think because death characterizes the end-point for all human existence, we tend to focus on the temporal instead of the eternal; immediate satisfaction over delayed gratification. Premarital sex, for instance, is something we seize onto because either we don't want to wait for sex within the context of marriage or because we want to grab all the pleasure we can out of life. Or internal sins, like lust, in which we look for temporal goods on this side of death/eternity, instead of looking for ultimate Goods that come to us from the other side.
Once our flesh and gone and we've passed through death, the only question that remains is whether what remains of the person (the "soul") is free from the guilt that our death-centric life brought on us or whether we carry that guilt to the other side.
This view is basically the view of Augustine, and Augustine's interpretation of Paul's flesh/spirit opposition, but put in the language of the non-Christian philosopher Martin Heidegger.
I think because death characterizes the end-point for all human existence, we tend to focus on the temporal instead of the eternal; immediate satisfaction over delayed gratification. Premarital sex, for instance, is something we seize onto because either we don't want to wait for sex within the context of marriage or because we want to grab all the pleasure we can out of life. Or internal sins, like lust, in which we look for temporal goods on this side of death/eternity, instead of looking for ultimate Goods that come to us from the other side.
Once our flesh and gone and we've passed through death, the only question that remains is whether what remains of the person (the "soul") is free from the guilt that our death-centric life brought on us or whether we carry that guilt to the other side.
This view is basically the view of Augustine, and Augustine's interpretation of Paul's flesh/spirit opposition, but put in the language of the non-Christian philosopher Martin Heidegger.
So, no free will in heaven?
And who designed that flesh again?
I don't see why. If he wants you in this state with him, and he can change you into this state with him, then why not simply do it? Why all the pointless pretense and burning of sinners?
If I know what will happen tomorrow, there is no such thing as tomorrow "unfolding" for me.
So...he changes you in a way that you wouldn't ever want to disobey him...to do anything he wouldn't want you doing....is that about it?
If God wants heaven to be inhabited by forgiven sinners then a human history has to play out in which sin happens and sinners exist. God will "simply do it" but at the right time - once the story has played out enough to reach all of the sinners that he desires to reach.
The presence of sin in the story glorifies God. It shows us that God is merciful, forgiving sin, and that he is just, punishing sin. Without sin in the story the fullness of God as a merciful and just God could not be put on display.
The point of the story is to glorify the Lord.
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