A new CF, an old vision

[Saucy]

you're so horribly mistaken Erwin. People can't moderate themselves. Let's just remove all police and all laws and all jail sentences-let's create an anarchy so that everyone creates their own rules and their own laws-and when all the staff is gone and CF is in complete anarchy, you'll be running back to the structure that it needs---what we have now is structure and it works!

 

[LovesToRead]

100 members....31 guests...

somehow i think some of those "guests" just may be members who aren't logging on....

 

[GolfingMom]

I just think that Christian Forums is no longer entitled to that name. Let's call it was it is...
POLL

Okay, whew. I'm done multi quoting people the thread just keeps growing.
I'm very disappointed.

Doesn't sound rude or mean at all. It's truth and what many are thinking, but not saying.


Yes, but supposedly this was a Christian site. Therefore anyone moderating should be Christian.
We don't let unbelievers in to lead...


I wouldn't want them to be my moderator.
I wouldn't want to follow their secular way of thinking or approach to the world in general.
No offense meant toward any athiest.


Yes they can. They can be compassionate, they can be cool, they can be fun people to talk to.
They however should not be enforcing rules on a "Christian" site.

Here gives them one more chance to proselytize.
Have you ever visited GA give me a break.
I had a weak momment once and decided to let it fly in there. I had one Christian pm me and about 6 unbelievers....


Yes, and you know what. I don't want new members coming here unknowingly speaking with people of different religions being swayed.
Protection is gone and now there is no longer an area for Christians to fellowship in harmony when they want to.
This is no longer a "Christian" board. This is a open to all free for all.


Yes they should enforce the rules, with equality and love. BUT unbelievers cannot help in "Uniting all Christians as One Body in Christ"
In fact they want the exact opposite!

I think they can moderate to, on a board that is secular. Oh yeah.

Power hungry we do not need. Most importantly though we need those in power who believe in the Christ we Christians believe died for our sins.
We do NOT need secular leadership.


No one is acting like ONLY Christians can moderate fairly. But where in any congregation as now "Christian Forums" has been likened to...did a unbeliever become an elder?


Because their secular beliefs will be, and I don't mean might be, WILL BE spread around these forums like a stink that no air freshener can remove.



It's not "Christian" anymore by any means. This is now a secular board.
"Uniting All Christians as One" Should be removed as this is misleading and false.


There needs to be equality in the body of Christ. Uniting of Christians with different beliefs. But now the athiests, agnostics and whatevers are being handed the keys to vote on rules, discussions, moderators and can moderate Christians ON a Christian board.
In real life I would not take the advice of a non Christian. I certainly will not do it here. But that is what is going to be done since they will be voting as well. Athiests will vote for athiest and eventually when they start posting in the once Christains Only section. It will become just as much a mad house, probably more, that GA already is!!





Well Like I said NO air freshner will be able to take care of this stink!
The gremlin has been released from the bag..


Not me. My son will no longer be allowed on this SECULAR website and I will NEVER give another DIME!!


Exactly. It will happen though...


Don't be so sure Lisa.


The doors have been swung wide open for the wolves to attack.
No place off limits. Not even our kids online have a safe place to roam in these woods now.




ALOT. A whole lot. Gather together the athiest at ~E~ so they can decide on their new non Christian leaders will be.


This is not a time for hugs. I may vomit. Anyone have a paper bag?!

It has to do with non believers enforcing rules on a Christian board.

Speak for yourself in what you do and how you minister to people. I was on staff, but didn't advertise who I did or did not speak to.


....Or Uniting unbelievers and believers alike as one body on a website! VOMIT spews....



Party is over!!

 

[herev]

Sooo now were throwing out the Nicence Creed and saying your a christian cuz you say your are......... OHhhh I didnt know the bible said that!

I know of no one who is throwing out the nicene creed, but rather using it as a litmus test. Already many don't agree with it, and many simply don't understand it.
In fact, i was speaking of being open to the POLICY, but..
yes, for me and my house, we will not judge your heart. If you say you are a Christian, that is between you and God--not me.

 

[Leanna]

OK but it will still happen. So instead of dealing with adults misbehaving we will be dealing with youth misbehaving. It will still happen.

Well.... we'll just have to see..... I spent my entire time as an agnostic in the Life Stages, and I never caused any trouble .... I have some different ideas that might help fall out, but there's not much I can do but wait and see. I think that the initial idea of allowing Christians and non Christians to be in the same place is a good idea. I think that Christians are supposed to be the light of the world and the salt of the world, but it can't and shouldn't be done in isolation.

 

[DedicatedLittleFaith]

If a muslim says there are a christian does that make them a christian?

Short answer: No

Long answer: A Christian, by definition, is one who believes in Christ Jesus. It is our denominations that are irrelevant: you believe in Christ, you are a Christian. Denominations only dictates the traditions you have to practice your beliefs.

If someone does NOT believe in Jesus, he/she is NOT a Christian, no matter what he/she says.

 

[No Swansong]

Well, if we're talking about a true attempt at a Democracy, then we're not looking at majority rules - that is very much anti-democracy because that takes away from all people having a say. In a true and full democracy, both what a majority and the minority have to say is important in the overall matters. If all are given a say, that means that each voice can be heard and discerned. Maybe it could be possible that, after reviewing the different ideas, opinions, etc. that people come to see that maybe the majority opinion was not right, and/or one or more of the alternative views was better or just as valid.

Being one that is excited about the process of such a democracy being formed, despite it going against the grain of Platonist views, which has been adopted by much of Christianity, particularly in the West among both Catholics and Protestants - especially those adhearing to Augustinian theology within Church hierarchy and legalistic matters -, I personally have some hope and optimism in Democracy.

But, if that doesn't work, then I'm all for Tolkien's ideology of philosophic anarchy.

Pax Tecum,

John

Actually true democracy by definition is majority rule.

 

[Wyvern]

you're so horribly mistaken Erwin. People can't moderate themselves. Let's just remove all police and all laws and all jail sentences-let's create an anarchy so that everyone creates their own rules and their own laws-and when all the staff is gone and CF is in complete anarchy, you'll be running back to the structure that it needs---what we have now is structure and it works!

If it worked...

Why are so many people giving up and leaving?...

 

[talitha]

The idea would be that individual forums have membership that can form their own rules through a wiki/collaborative process. If the current congregational forum wants to ban debate, and if the members of that congregational forum vote to agree, then it is so. Why should a person from another section care? They can request and form their own forums for their own group. Moderation will be decentralised according to each forum/category - members that the forum members respect get voted to be their mods. Mods usually only have power to moderate their own forums. Reports go into forums that are subforums of these forums/categories. It's a massive restructure that I need to embark on.

The aim is to make this a true community where people have the power to ultimately moderate themselves.

Okay, I'm only on p. 42 so far...... but I have a burning question...... I am a non-denom AND Charismatic. I do not want to identify as one or the other. Will that be a problem? Oh, you're saying that it's every forum for itself, so it's up to the powers that be in each forum. Can we appeal rules?

 

[kiwimac]

So does this mean that scripture is no longer a basis for what is right or wrong on CF? Will topics such as homosexuality, drug use, alcohol use, heretical theology, etc. now be allowed to be discussed and promoted in the teen section?

Teens use drugs, are homosexual, drink alcohol and have unprotected sex why would you imagine discussing these things in a caring and compassionate way to be bad?

 

[ALiberalTeen]

I'm sorry but alot of you are being childish and are bringing up indecisive arguments against this idea, give it a chance and grow up.

 

[MelzluvsJesus]

ALL ready this isn't working...ERWIN, can you see that? LOOK at all the chaos and unrest etc. COME on. WAKE up.

 

[tall73]

Erwin, this big of a change will be hard. We will be praying for you.

I personally am very glad that people will no longer be investigated to see if they are Christian. We have a Righteous Judge who will judge the hearts of men. I hope this site will be a place to come closer to God's truth as we compare notes.

 

[Erwin]

In regard to my kind moderating, I would certainly hope that any voting is done by sub-forum, so that people are governed by those they know and trust. Those who don't want non-Christians in their areas don't have to have them, but in GA at least we've been wanting representation for years. I would also imagine that if someone overly disruptive was elected, Erwin would be capable of removing them to preserve harmony.

That's the idea.

The idea is not to have a blanket rule to discriminate against any CF member from serving as a moderator.

The idea is that s subforum membership will have the maturity enough to vote someone in to look after their subforum that they respect and trust - it is unlikely that for example a conservative congregational forum would vote an atheist in to moderate their forum.

But this might happen in GA, and that is fine, as long as the members of GA did the voting.

The idea is to trust the members to make the right decision for their subforum.

The rule - moderators can only moderate their own forums.

Category moderators can moderate the whole category (but all subforums in that category get to vote for a category moderator).

Supermoderators get to moderate the whole site - therefore the whole site gets to vote on supermoderators.

Based on the above model, it would make sense that only in subforums where there are a lot of non-Christians could a non-Christian be voted in to be a moderator.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[openup4christ]

I didn't know the Bible had the Creed



boy you're funny

http://www.christianforums.com/rules
Look at the Nicene Creed it fully supported by scripture.!!

 

[kiwimac]

If someone says they are a christian, they are?
No comment.

Only God knows peoples hearts. Only God knows if someone is Christian or not. That being so, how can we possibly say to someone that they are or not. They know their relationship with Jesus Christ not us. So yes, I would take their word for that.

 

[wmc1982]

We just really don't want to go in the "whatever is right/true for you is OK" direction.

There is one Truth, one Way. There needs to be a foundation of true Christians in leadership to legitimately call this place "Christian forums".

 

[MelzluvsJesus]

It is stuff EXACTLY like this that we will have to deal with..and I for one WILL NOT! A 16 year old agnostic/atheist...gay...telling us that we are childish etc cause we have concerns?? SEE THE PROBLEM HERE??? THIS IS SO WRONG!

 

[ALiberalTeen]

ALL ready this isn't working...ERWIN, can you see that? LOOK at all the chaos and unrest etc. COME on. WAKE up.

only because you won't let it work

 

[Letalis]

I just want to reiterate the suggestion to reopen DR or another forum for policy discussions. This is all very chaotic, and I think part of it can be resolved if there is a forum dedicated to discussing various ideas and suggestions.