A new CF, an old vision

[Babymine]

70 members viewing and 7 guests. Can you believe I could relay that information without copy and pasting the names of every single person who is actually viewing?

Amazing

 

[Shubunkin]

I take it all moderators are hereby terminated. Rather unceremoniously, it sounds.

Also, what will prevent debate in the congregation forums? Or is that all going out the door too?

 

[wmc1982]

Thank you, Erwin, for all your hard work here and there. Perhaps what each of us can do is to pray for this hard-working servant of the Lord. Amen?



Ann

Yea, thanks Erwin for putting your time and effort into all of this. I personally appreciate it.

 

[Leanna]

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[Lisa0315]

It would be best to hard delete all that gossip and rash judging which can and does go on behind those staff doors. And I call it gossip for a good reason.

I hope that Erwin will enable Admins to hard delete and dispose of all threads and posts that should not see the light of day again. People's lives can be absolutely ruined unless this is done. Porn especially can destroy people due to their addictions.

Our mods are posting porn in the staff threads????

Lisa

 

[Protinus]

Absolutely Amazing!!! Breathtaking!!! Wonderful!! I can't tell you how these proposed changes make me feel...I DO see the opportunity to fulfill a "UNITED BODY" in Christ!!! I see all Christians AND Non-Christians communing and sharing!!!!

Truly staggering!!!

 

[No Swansong]

I take it all moderators are hereby terminated. Rather unceremoniously, it sounds.

Also, what will prevent debate in the congregation forums? Or is that all going out the door too?

I have been hoping for an answer to this too.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

 

[Jim47]

Sounds like a good move to me Erwin I think the more openness is very good. Can't wait to see it all in action.

 

[talitha]

e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].

Yikes. No more safe place.

 

[JCrawf]

I would agree. It is well known that there is a good deal contained in the 'sooper seekrit' forums that is not just confidential but rather inflammatory towards individual members. With this new attitude I think a flushing of what went before and forgiveness from all for that might have been said behind closed doors is appropriate.

Out with the old.. in with the new. Good idea. Already considering what to do now, not having to rely on any secret forum, not to mention the faction itself, and move on to better things in life. And one of those things is to put a little hope in the culture change and new openness to come about on CF.

Pax Tecum,

John

 

[dignitized]

Wouldn't that just indicate even MORE secrecy than what has already happened? I don't think you can just sweep this under a rug and call it a day.

It's not about sweeping things under the rug. As I said - there are things I would LOVE to have come out into the open. BUT - what good will it do now? If things really are going to change, it's time to cast off the old, cast off unforgiveness, and live:

2Co 5:17b behold, all things are become new!


Which I really want to add to my signature.

 

[TheBear]

Let's discuss the "new" CF. One thing to make clear is that these are things that I want happen, and that will happen, and whether staff or members agree with them or not, they are what I believe to be the right things to do. Some, maybe a lot, may disagree, but I believe it's time for a MAJOR paradigm shift at CF.

Unlike what people might have mistakenly expected, the "new" CF is NOT going to happen overnight.

It's going to happen in stages. However, there are mainly going to be 2 stages:

1. The first stage is the CULTURE change stage. This is going to start happening from TODAY but will be an ongoing process. This will involve:

a. Changing the site rules - simpler, less legalistic, and more open
b. Changing the way rules are developed or changed - wikify it! The rules process should be a member-initiated community-propelled, and consensus driven, not something that a minority can decide on.
c. Changing the way moderators are appointed - the members decide! There will be forum moderators, category moderators, and then super moderators. Members nominated, members vote, members appointed. Appointments are for a 12 months - at the end, can be renominated, or not. The power is with the people. And yes, if you are not a Christian, you can be on staff, if people vote for you to do so. The whole process will be open, transparent, and clear. What about current staff? They will all have to be renominated and voted in at some stage.
d. No more warnings. If God can forgive, so can we. Of course, consistent rule-breakers and trolls will still be banned, but hey, that's not going to be avoidable for any site. But not legitimate users.
e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].
f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.
h. Transparent appeals of moderator actions in a much more simpler format - with member input allowed - in fact, the community has a say in all appeals. The way it should be. As the community has written the rules up in the end.
i. No more hidden moderator forums - in fact, no hidden forums at all (except trash forums). If we can read it, you can read it. What is there to hide? If it has to be private, it can be in a PM. This will mean more transparency from all people.

The above outlines the setup of the new rules. A lot of the above cannot happen overnight, and will require some work. But the aim is for culture change at CF.

Many people, including current staff, will not be happy with the above, and some will quit, leave or resign. I bear you no ill-will - you do what you think is right, I do what I think is right. Yes, some of the above changes are controversial, and in fact, radical. But it's time for a total new way of looking at CF. We want to unite all Christians. Not just some.


2. The second stage is the TECHNOLOGY change stage. This is going to start happening over the next MONTH as this will involve extensive recoding and even software replacement. New features will be added. Members would have noticed that we have hit a hiatus in terms of new features being added and CF has not had a new feature for a long time. Well, I am looking at changing this. In the past, I've been the only server administrator, webmaster and coder. I've outsourced the server administration part of things, but there is room to outsource other things. The software behind CF requires a lot of improvements, and this WILL occur. I won't say too much about them because the second stage will be the part that will be most visible and trust me, when it happens, it will be obvious.


In other words, stage one, the culture change, is the change of CF's heart and soul, while stage two, the technology change, is the change of CF's look and body. In my mind, stage one is by far the most important. Both stages are hard to do.

Stage one starts now. Stage two will occur later and will mean some significant functionality changes.

Let's go.

Thanks, Erwin!

 

[BeautifullyImperfect]

I do have a question....

How is the mod election going to be kept from becoming a popularity contest?

And can't we keep the mods who are already doing an awesome job?

Just thinking...

 

[Wyvern]

Our mods are posting porn in the staff threads????

Lisa

I took it to mean threads that had been moved into the graveyard...

 

[MariaRegina]

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[drstevej]

Absolutely Amazing!!! Breathtaking!!! Wonderful!! I can't tell you how these proposed changes make me feel...I DO see the opportunity to fulfill a "UNITED BODY" in Christ!!! I see all Christians AND Non-Christians communing and sharing!!!!

Truly staggering!!!

Will be interesting to read the Trad threads in OBOB.

 

[Gazelle]

Gazelle

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, Greenthumb

, HELENz, hernyaccent, Hydra009, intricatic , JacobsDream , JCrawf, jesuspickedmeup, Jim47 , Joykins, joyshirley

, jtbdad , Leader of the Banned, Leanna, Lena75, LilLamb219 , livingword26, longhair75 , LovesToRead

, Lynden1000, meh , mesue, Michelina , Michie, Million Pieces , mina, Morgaine1205 , openup4christ , PaladinValer, ParaCristo , Periann, Phred, praying , ProfessorMom, Protinus , Purifying FLAME, ravenscape, RedTulipMoon, Samuel_Rigby

, Savedsis

, Sign Of The Fish Burger, SimplyMe, SiobhanClancy, Skaloop, snoochface, Spudgrandma , tashiseisei, TasManOfGod, TheBear, TurtleDarling, wmc1982

So many folks at one time . . . amazing . . .

 

[wmc1982]

I take it all moderators are hereby terminated. Rather unceremoniously, it sounds.

Also, what will prevent debate in the congregation forums? Or is that all going out the door too?

I say, the moderators should stay unless voted out.

And I don't think there should be outside debate allowed in congregational forums. Just observation and questions for those who differ in beliefs.

 

[flaglady]

Erwin if you are still around I hope you will address the issue of the Congregational fora. They are the only reason many if not most members are here.

There! And I was about to say "No more Master List! No more icon restrictions!"

Still I can still manage a

because I think it all sounds awesome!

(Not sure I'll make it in the stakes for reinstating as a mod, tho but!)