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MariaRegina

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Thanks, Erwin.

Yes, transparency will be beneficial, if everyone tries to be kind.

If there will be no moderator forums, will this also mean no reports will be generated?

In a sense, on one hand, this would be a welcomed change, because the reports can be so judgmental, and the report threads also invite judgments, which are so unchristian, as Christ said, "Judge ye not, lest ye yourselves be judged."

On the other hand, moderators cannot see all violations and depend on members to report obnoxious posts.
 
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Beautiful, Erwin!! Man, you made me cry, especially these parts.....

CF should also be a lighthouse in the wilderness, to be a good testimony to those who are not Christians instead of showing the world that Christians are actually worse than they are.

and.....

No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].


God bless you, Erwin!! :hug:


 
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SOTFB would LOOOOOOOOVE to be a fly on the staff forum wall right now....

And HELLOOOOO!! How excited am I that some people who are in desperate need of a good booting from staff will NEVER EVER get voted back on by the members???
 
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I think on the whole, these idea's make sense, and I think you did a great job explaining them Erwin.
I'm not convinced the removal of the staff forum is prudent however, because I think staff should have a place outside of private messages to discuss problematic members, or site problems in general.
Removing the formal staff forum will, in my opinion, only result in more informal off-site forums being created for the discussion of CF business.

Is the exec team disbanded as of right now?

I agree with Jason. There is also a lot of personal and private info about members posted in there right now.
 
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Wow...I'm really getting excited about all this. Like this really feels right...I have this peace about it, it's weird. Like I know things are going to be hard at some points, but WOW I'm excited.

I'm so anxious to see change!!

Thank you again, Erwin!! ^_^
 
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Wow.... I'm utterly speechless!! THANK YOU ERWIN!! This is JUST what we need :clap:

2 questions though in regards to no hidden forums- what will happen with the now private staff forums, as well as reports? Will those all be open too?
Yes, reports forum will be open to all. They will be anonymised (the reporter can choose to identify themselves).
 
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Maybe Erwin can shut down the Staff CR and make them post here with us. Then we can see some different points of view and make a more informed decision regarding the rules that need to be changed.

Oh, what about the Christian Wiki, is that to be continued?
 
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When will all the, like, logistics happen?

For example, when do all the forums become open, and when do current staff stop being staff?

We'll be like a colony of ants with voting rights. Sweeet.
 
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1. The first stage is the CULTURE change stage. This is going to start happening from TODAY but will be an ongoing process. This will involve:

a. Changing the site rules - simpler, less legalistic, and more open
b. Changing the way rules are developed or changed - wikify it! The rules process should be a member-initiated community-propelled, and consensus driven, not something that a minority can decide on.
c. Changing the way moderators are appointed - the members decide! There will be forum moderators, category moderators, and then super moderators. Members nominated, members vote, members appointed. Appointments are for a 12 months - at the end, can be renominated, or not. The power is with the people. And yes, if you are not a Christian, you can be on staff, if people vote for you to do so. The whole process will be open, transparent, and clear. What about current staff? They will all have to be renominated and voted in at some stage.
d. No more warnings. If God can forgive, so can we. Of course, consistent rule-breakers and trolls will still be banned, but hey, that's not going to be avoidable for any site. But not legitimate users.
e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].
f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.
h. Transparent appeals of moderator actions in a much more simpler format - with member input allowed - in fact, the community has a say in all appeals. The way it should be. As the community has written the rules up in the end.
i. No more hidden moderator forums - in fact, no hidden forums at all (except trash forums). If we can read it, you can read it. What is there to hide? If it has to be private, it can be in a PM. This will mean more transparency from all people.

The above outlines the setup of the new rules. A lot of the above cannot happen overnight, and will require some work. But the aim is for culture change at CF.

Many people, including current staff, will not be happy with the above, and some will quit, leave or resign. I bear you no ill-will - you do what you think is right, I do what I think is right. Yes, some of the above changes are controversial, and in fact, radical. But it's time for a total new way of looking at CF. We want to unite all Christians. Not just some.
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Let's go.
:thumbsup: Erwin!!! :hug:
Way to go :D
I have goose bumps reading this. This is so refreshing, so the way it used to be. Thank you for returning to your first love.
May God bless you richly for it. :)
 
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I'm not about to just make all the staff forums OPEN as of now because of all sorts of confidential information in it. I will close the current ones. New ones that are public will be made. Members can post in them.

Report forums will be public. Members can post in them and comment - why not.

The Wiki will be totally OPEN to all members to edit.

The idea is for more openness, not less.

Radical it may be, but it will work.
 
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Yes, reports forum will be open to all. They will be anonymised (the reporter can choose to identify themselves).

Thanks for answering my question Erwin. :wave:
 
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