A new CF, an old vision (3)

[*Starlight*]

and yer dont think a erwin doin an about face is over the top? you specifically, do you care that ppl are devastaed bout it? or are you too happy now that its how YOU want it to be to really go out there and see how some ppl are hurtin? bein a christian isnt about bein happy that you got what you want.

The previous rules hurt people even more, because they were unfair...

then explain what yer meant. i quoted ya exactly.

I gave slavery as an example that we can't be limited to what the Bible says when deciding what's good and what isn't.

 

[Rochir]

 

[RoseofLima]

Welcome to this crazy thread!

Welcome to the new Christian Forums!

Where will you go for peace and fellowship when all of CF is like we are experiencing right here.. right now!?

This is it guys! No rules, everyone all together, everyone saying exactly what they KNOW to be right. One big long hate party.

You could just turn off your computer....there's peace to be found--and it will likely never be on the internet.

I have written before that WD has pretty much been predominantly an Open forum for a bit now and is still a really nice place to fellowship...at least from my perspective.

 

[TheBear]

Out of context - but im sure you know that.

God created confusion at Babel. So yes, confusion is of God.

Just one more good example of how a non beleiver is not qualified to serve on a ministry. Bible knowledge and contextual usage is needed in moderation on a ministry at times indeed.

Staff are not ministers. CF is not a church. Ministering can and does occur between regular members. Bible knowledge doesn't add one iota to the task of moderating a message board. Staff members are not Biblical authorities or church leaders.

Thank you for the example though

Here's a perfect example of incendiary vitriol. Here we have a Christian, using sarcasm and personal digs, to try to make a point.

I ask all the onlookers - is this the type of interpersonal skills you want from staff members? Do you think being put down and insulted adds to the qualities of good moderation?

And I know A4T is not staff, but she is representative of many on staff now, and many who want to be on staff.

 

[ContentInHim]

FRU - it's nice to see you again! Sorry it's under these circumstances.

 

[frumanchu]

dont want that to get lost in the mire. bears repostin.

I'm afraid we'll all get lost in the mire now, my friend.

 

[*Starlight*]

I love that!

 

[JimfromOhio]

I've been as vociferous and angry as any since yesterday morning. I slept lousy last night and even sent the family to church and stayed home cause I'm feeling a little under the weather.

I think though that you may be right~I've always respected your perspective (well, except for that calvinist stuff ) but I'll ponder that post some more, maybe there is more here than meets the eye.

I know why they call them "knee-jerk" comments, cause there' a lot of jerk in there

When I was younger, I was like you. Over the years, God has taught me the reality of His control in this world. Jesus said in Matthew 6:34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Fretting about something........... I have learned a long time ago that "worrying" is sin and that my HEART is showing that I do NOT have FAITH in God's Character in my life. I understood that fretfulness can rob me of my peace and joy of Christ. In our sinful society, I am easy prey to fretfulness when my gaze is fixed circumstances rather than upon God.

I am reminded of this verse, James 4:14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.

I trust God regardless what is going to happen today and tomorrow.

I love reading your posts. We do have alot in common even though we don't always agree. Again, I never met a Christian, including my own wife who agrees with me 100% doctrinally. LOL

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

Has the vision changed or just the means to realise the vision?.

oh yeah. thisll do a lot to rid this place of legalism is the place united? nup. mods and members leaving. is that unted? nup. not all of these new rules are bad. but its being SO drastic is gonna do nothin but cause problems. everyone sees it, but ppl who are happy with the new status quo are ok with that.

 

[Rochir]

My truth is unshakeable - even by you.

And so is mine! Glad we agree!

 

[ContentInHim]

OK, OK - that was really funny!

 

[Fireinfolding]

In the context of Babel, yes, God confused the languages. However, God is NOT the author of confusion. There is a great difference between what God did in Babel and what Satan does in the hearts of men.

Lisa

Yep, confusion is rooted in ~envy and strife~ (that which is earthly and sensual and devilish)

Given the devils BELIEVE and tremble (and have doctrines of the same) and some preach Christ in strife and envy (not of goodwill toward men)

That seems more like an inside job (so to speak) then an outside one


Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

The previous rules hurt people even more, because they were unfair...

how it turned out wasnt his original vision. it was the culmination of years of factional fightin and staff power trippin.

I gave slavery as an example that we can't be limited to what the Bible says when deciding what's good and what isn't.

fair enough mate i get yer now.

 

[JimfromOhio]

God created confusion at Babel. So yes, confusion is of God.

Staff are not ministers. CF is not a church. Ministering can and does occur between regular members. Bible knowledge doesn't add one iota to the task of moderating a message board. Staff members are not Biblical authorities or church leaders.

Here's a perfect example of incendiary vitriol. Here we have a Christian, using sarcasm and personal digs, to try to make a point.

I ask all the onlookers - is this the type of interpersonal skills you want from staff members? Do you think being put down and insulted adds to the qualities of good moderation?

And I know A4T is not staff, but she is representative of many on staff now, and many who want to be on staff.

Actually, God saw what they were doing was sinful so He changed their "speaking languages". God is not the author of evil. Evil became a reality only when creatures chose to disobey. God is ruling all things to work together for our good and His purpose. Romans 8:28-29 "And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them."

 

[Blank123]

I've been reading this thread and noticed one thing... The people who seem to be the most against these new changes are those who happen to perfectly fit in the old rules. But not everyone is like that, and the old rules are quite unfair to many members.

this is CHRISTIAN forums.com - ideally it would be biased towards Christians Christianity, no matter how badly some people want it to be so, isn't something we can vote on and it ain't something WE define. The Bible has spoken on what it means to be a Christian and i'm sorry if you don't like it but if you fall outside those doctrinal boundaries you are not a Christian.

The changes announced by Erwin won't hurt you in any way, and they will hopefully remove the unfairness which hurts other members... that's something good, not bad.

it doesn't hurt me specifically but where God is upset when people lay His truth aside it upsets me. Where a website that previously could pass for Christian-esque where the gospel was still protected to some degree has changed over night into a doctrinal free-for-all where every nonChristian can masquerade as Christians and pass of false gospels that only lead new/weak believers and genuine seekers to hell God is angry and i'm not going to support a website like that.

13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in....
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves. - Matthew 23:13-15

 

[HesMyAll]

Its not the Bible, or Church or anything that convicts people get get saved. The Holy Spirit is the only person that can quicken people to be saved. Without Christ through the Holy Spirit... we ARE NOTHING except worthy of going through the WIDE GATE of hell. We have to remember that its not the scriptures that are corrupted. Its a man's heart that is corrupted. Intelligence, reason, and choice. Spiritually, the Holy Spirit, the eternal Spirit of God,who dwelled in Jesus Christ, who empowers the Church, Who is the source of our life in Christ, and Who is poured out on those who believe as the guarantee of redemption.

My Bible is my authority but at the same time, I will never put my Bible ahead of God, the Author. Spiritual growth requires us to understand the Scriptures and get to know our God the Father, our Savior the Son, and our comforter the Holy Spirit. “Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.” Ephesians 6:17 (NLT)

You would never have to put the Bible ahead of God...the Bible was authored by God. It is God's revelation of Himself to us. A love letter so to speak.

 

[*Starlight*]

how it turned out wasnt his original vision. it was the culmination of years of factional fightin and staff power trippin.


fair enough mate i get yer now.

Well, yes... but some of the things on CF which hurt people were created by Erwin, so I'm glad he realized it was a wrong way to fulfill his vision.

ok, cool

 

[Rochir]

I wonder, will these reforms all turn out to become an ...

?????

 

[Stormy]

My fear is for the new believers. They don't have the basis for strong belief yet and may never acquire it if they come to CF for teaching and fellowship and instead are bombarded by false doctrine. If those who love the new direction of CF have their way, tolerance will be the new doctrine and this is not LOVE.

This is my fear also.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

erwins clearly only readin the posts on the page he happs to land on when he clicks 'last post' so this post will jus have to be on every page

Forgive me if I ask a few questions that have already been answered. I just got back from vacation last night and discovered this whole shakeup, and quite frankly I don't have time to wade through 3000+ posts.

1. I read that you want this place to be a "safe-haven for Christians." It looks as though you define "Christian" as anybody who claims to be one. This means that Mormons and other radically unorthodox groups are among that definition. Does this mean you believe it is safe for orthodox Christians, especially those young in their faith, to be exposed to radically unorthodox teachings like those of the LDS?

2. You have also been clear that you view this site as more than just a discussion board. You view it as a ministry. As a ministry which draws back from taking a public stand on orthodox truths such as those contained in the Nicene Creed, does it seem reasonable to you that some may view this as falling into apostasy?

3. For years I have watched you take a stand to protect the most fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith to ensure that at least a core of truth was protected in your ministry. Aren't you merely taking the easy way out by removing some of the most fundamental guidelines of your minsitry, turning it over to the general populace of believers and non-believers, and letting the fate of a ministry rest in the hands of many who don't even believe in basic fundamentals of the faith? And all this largely against the counsel of dozens of people, including pastors, who advise you not to do so?

I know you think this will somehow solve the problems of infighting and offending people that have plagued us for the last year or so. It won't. It will only heighten it because you have removed many of the policies and rules which have to this point restrained things from getting even more out of control.