A new CF, an old vision (3)

[JimfromOhio]

But if that "conviction" (gay marriage is acceptable) doesn't measure against God's Word then is it a viable "conviction"?

For me, I disagree with Christians who practice gay lifestyle or any other kind of lifestyle that go against the Word of God. At the same time, I will not give up on them but ignoring them. Their lives are not over until they are dead. Judging based on appearance and doctrines are man-centered more than God-center. We should all take a long hard look at what things we consider to be important from God's perspective rather than man's perspective. Through Adam, we are born spiritually dead. The nineteenth-century Scottish commentator John Eadie described it as a case of "death walking". Spiritually dead people are like zombies--they don't know they're dead and they're still going through the motions of living.

Spiritual discernment is simply defined as the ability to biblically decide between right and wrong, between truth and error, between good and evil with the help from the Holy Spirit who does the convicting. I do not and cannot convict people. However, I can share God's word while God does the convicting. As human beings we do not always know whether or not our thoughts, words and deeds are from God. Discernment is the means God uses to literally divide light from darkness, truth from falsehood, right motive from wrong motive, selflessness from selfishness.

In this change, God is the person who I trust regardless what happens around here. I don't trust CF but I do trust God. We must remember He is still in control.

 

[HesMyAll]

That doesn't necessarily mean that the Bible is infallible.

THAT is YOUR opinion. We will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

 

[TheBear]

Hi Bear - Yep, that was confusion from God because the people did NOT DO AS HE COMMANDED!

For whatever reasoning you want to put on it, God created confusion.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

Well, maybe God inspired Erwin to create a website which would unite all Christians, but the way Erwin wanted to fulfill that vision at first was wrong and he finally realized it... now he's trying to fulfill that vision in a different, in my opinion much better, way.

lol i aint gonna lie. yer seem like a lovely kid. but yer mistaken if yer actually believe what yer writin. it seems to me it was great very early on then all the faction made erwin write a load of rules that locked this place up like a vice. it was divisive and riled by a choice few. it was the change that made it deviate from God's initial vision. whats happenin now is bein equally divisive and deviatin further by goin to the other end of the spectrum.

no-ones answered this:HOW is this now a christian forum? not havin a dig. in what way is this a christian forum?

 

[Rochir]

Judas followed Christ.

Was Christ Christian?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Babel?

Out of context - but im sure you know that. Just one more good example of how a non beleiver is not qualified to serve on a ministry. Bible knowledge and contextual usage is needed in moderation on a ministry at times indeed.

Thank you for the example though

 

[JimfromOhio]

In the beginning was the WORD! How can we seperate ourselves from the Word of God? What is the Bible for if not for our benefit and to help us grow in the Lord?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

I agree but we have to remember. As Christians, we don't need intelligence to decide because we have the Holy Spirit that convicts us to listen rather than focusing on our own pride of reasonings. God gave me the brain but in my body, who am I using my brian for? My flesh or In Spirit? if a Christian is not careful and forget. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In order to "revere" the Word of God (Bible), you submit to the Holy Spirit who is the Author of the Bible. Jesus said in John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

 

[dianne050]

Nevermind I found it!

 

[*Starlight*]

But if that "conviction" (gay marriage is acceptable) doesn't measure against God's Word then is it a viable "conviction"?

Yes, just like the conviction that slavery is wrong. The Bible never says anything specifically against it, and in some places even encourages it. (this is about slavery, not homosexuality )

It's just that the Bible isn't perfect, and God can speak outside it, in various ways.

 

[Lisa0315]

Out of context - but im sure you know that. Just one more good example of how a non beleiver is not qualified to serve on a ministry. Bible knowledge and contextual usage is needed in moderation on a ministry at times indeed.

Thank you for the example though

It wasn't really out of context. Didn't you mention confusion? Babel is textbook confusion.

Lisa

 

[Beastt]

You mean except from those many who have faithfully served the members of the board, some for many years right?

You might wish to recognize that there are many others who would gladly serve the members of the board (all of the members), except that decisions made by those who claimed to be serving the members kept them from being eligible to do so.

You can't "serve the members" by objecting when Erwin decides to actually serve all of the members. When you try that it's clear that you're only trying to serve yourself and keep others squarely under your thumb.

 

[MrJim]

For me, I disagree with Christians who practice gay lifestyle or any other kind of lifestyle that go against the Word of God. At the same time, I will not give up on them but ignoring them. Their lives are not over until they are dead. Judging based on appearance and doctrines are man-centered more than God-center. We should all take a long hard look at what things we consider to be important from God's perspective rather than man's perspective. Through Adam, we are born spiritually dead. The nineteenth-century Scottish commentator John Eadie described it as a case of "death walking". Spiritually dead people are like zombies--they don't know they're dead and they're still going through the motions of living.

Spiritual discernment is simply defined as the ability to biblically decide between right and wrong, between truth and error, between good and evil with the help from the Holy Spirit who does the convicting. I do not and cannot convict people. However, I can share God's word while God does the convicting. As human beings we do not always know whether or not our thoughts, words and deeds are from God. Discernment is the means God uses to literally divide light from darkness, truth from falsehood, right motive from wrong motive, selflessness from selfishness.

In this change, God is the person who I trust regardless what happens around here. I don't trust CF but I do trust God. We must remember He is still in control.

That's a well thought out post dude I think your anabaptist background is coming out ahead of your calvinism

 

[catofhope]

For me, I disagree with Christians who practice gay lifestyle or any other kind of lifestyle that go against the Word of God. At the same time, I will not give up on them but ignoring them. Their lives are not over until they are dead. Judging based on appearance and doctrines are man-centered more than God-center. We should all take a long hard look at what things we consider to be important from God's perspective rather than man's perspective. Through Adam, we are born spiritually dead. The nineteenth-century Scottish commentator John Eadie described it as a case of "death walking". Spiritually dead people are like zombies--they don't know they're dead and they're still going through the motions of living.

Spiritual discernment is simply defined as the ability to biblically decide between right and wrong, between truth and error, between good and evil with the help from the Holy Spirit who does the convicting. I do not and cannot convict people. However, I can share God's word while God does the convicting. As human beings we do not always know whether or not our thoughts, words and deeds are from God. Discernment is the means God uses to literally divide light from darkness, truth from falsehood, right motive from wrong motive, selflessness from selfishness.

In this change, God is the person who I trust regardless what happens around here. I don't trust CF but I do trust God. We must remember He is still in control.

Well worth repeating.

BTW NIce to see you back among us.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

this discussion on the inerrancy of the Bible is tired. to thems that dont believe it, yer pick and chose which bits to believe to suit the way yer WANT to live yer life. fair enough. but at least be honest bout it. if yer dont believe the Bible, yer cant possibly believe Jesus died fer yer sins. its the Bible that tells yer so.

 

[Rochir]

But isn't that ....limiting?

Why have a limit? Why not let people have 100+ socks to pad the vote. It's a high school popularity contest now and there is nothing that will change that.

Erwin did not say he's going to do away with ALL rules or limits!

And as I said - yes, sockers would still be possible to skrew up a vote, but do we need to make it so easy for these people?

I think not!

 

[HesMyAll]

I agree but we have to remember. As Christians, we don't need intelligence to decide because we have the Holy Spirit that convicts us to listen rather than focusing on our own pride of reasonings. God gave me the brain but in my body, who am I using my brian for? My flesh or In Spirit? if a Christian is not careful and forget. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In order to "revere" the Word of God (Bible), you submit to the Holy Spirit who is the Author of the Bible. Jesus said in John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

I understand what you are saying but the point I am making is that yes we need to be led by the Spirit, but we also need the Word. How many times have people commited an act of murder and said that the Holy Spirit led them to do it? Man can be deceived...by the enemy, by other people, and by himself. If what the "Spirit" is leading someone to do is backed up by the Bible, fine. But if someone is being led contrary to the Word of God then they need to drop back and take stock before they do something that will be detrimental to themself or to someone else.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I have to say, Jim, that I'm shocked that these wishy-washy self-involved posts have been from you. What happened to your fire?

Well... rather than be legalist and acting like a Pharisee about the issues of CF changes, I trust God regardless.

In my life, changes have been in my life. God knows us so well that He will do His providential actions at the very moment according to His will. Many of us are keep forgetting that our lives have always been guided by God. Life is filled with pain and sorrow and suffering. Bad things happen to everybody because we are living in a sinful world. The sources of "thorns" can be weaknesses, insults, distresses, persecutions and difficulties. God uses suffering to perfect His "Power is perfected in weakness". God is saying "You should not have self-confidence and trust in yourself in the sense you believe you're capable of anything eternal that only I can provide grace and power." Only God can overcome situation (especially with CF's changes) as long as you trust in His GRACE.

 

[*Starlight*]

THAT is YOUR opinion. We will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Yes, we both have opinions, and I'm glad to just agree to disagree. I was just showing how Christianity isn't monolithic.

lol i aint gonna lie. yer seem like a lovely kid. but yer mistaken if yer actually believe what yer writin. it seems to me it was great very early on then all the faction made erwin write a load of rules that locked this place up like a vice. it was divisive and riled by a choice few. it was the change that made it deviate from God's initial vision. whats happenin now is bein equally divisive and deviatin further by goin to the other end of the spectrum.

Thanks

Well, I guess we just see the change in different ways...because I think that it's what CF has needed for a long time.

 

[ContentInHim]

Was Christ Christian?

Nope, he was Jewish.

Judas followed Jesus, did he not?

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

Yes, just like the conviction that slavery is wrong. The Bible never says anything specifically against it, and in some places even encourages it.

It's just that the Bible isn't perfect, and God can speak outside it, in various ways.

the Bible ENCOURAGES homosexuality?!!! that there shows why this is a bad idea.