A new CF, an old vision (3)

[KristianJ]

http://www.christianforums.com/t2851743-excuse-me-erwin.html&page=1

Erwin , correct me if I am wrong but doesnt this pretty much show you have a new vision too? Your new one doesnt match the old one. What happened? Does God change now?

Does this mean CF is no longer considered a ministry? If the world cannot see the difference between the light and the darkness - how does anyone get led? Everyone falls into a pit then.

Hmmmmm...to be honest, I would be rather keen to see Erwin's response to this. In some ways it almost reads like "pollie speak", when a political leader makes a reassured promise, only to change his or her mind in the future.

Having browsed a bit through what's been said, it almost seems clear in my mind that this forum's days may be numbered. There's too much of a mix of "yay, this is good" and "no it's not" to have anybody's confidence reasonably secure.

Ideally, to live up to its claim as a Christian forum, it should be a theocracy, where the ordinances are structured in alliance with the infallible truth of the Scriptures. CF has never been a theocracy, nor can it ever be a theocracy while there are people in membership whose motives are not aligned with Scripture in terms of acceding to positions of authority and power. Sure, this happens not only here, but in other organisations around the world, but should we not be trying as best we can to make an effort to mirror heaven on earth?

Erwin, as an elder I'm sure that you know the mountainous responsibility that is on your shoulders, not only as a webmaster, but a leader of God's people on this site. Paul made it abundantly clear in his Epistles that men and women like you are commanded to promote the truth and not to lead the people astray. You need to do whatever is in your power to fulfil your calling as a leader, and to avoid that perilous and dangerous judgement that befalls those who do not heed His call.

Now this isn't me saying you're guilty of anything, but it's an exhortation from a brother in Christ to be very, very careful. Satan will attack you from all areas, and your mission will be to have your eyes fixed solely on the goal of final glory with Christ. Now, if that means that CF has to become a distant memory, then you need to have the boldness and courage to make that decision regardless of what others say. It's between you and God in the long run, since only He can perfectly and justly judge. He knows whether this decision is truly based on His prompting you through His Holy Spirit, or mere changing just to please or appease. I don't know, but He does.

 

[Angel4Truth]

If the vision is changing then it wasnt a God given vision.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

But Erwin isn't God. And maybe his new vision is closer to what God wants than the old vision.

oh i see. so cos his new vision is more how YOU want it to be NOW its of God? and he got it wrong did he in the beginnin? God's first message got all screwed up in translation. when God spoke to him - before all the emails he talked about. before he got sick of all the different sides and arguments. when his head and heart were clear and fresh and excited. THAT is when he missed God's vision? at least be honest with yerself mate. you prefer it this way? thats fine. but dont justify it to yerself like that.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Finally, I can use "JimfromOhio" username. LOL

 

[Rochir]

What's your dolphin's name?

Rupert! Sharing our bath tub is always fun!

 

[Swart]

All your base are belong to us!11!!!!1!!!

Oh yeah! That was it!
I still can't keep up with this thread.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Hmmmmm...to be honest, I would be rather keen to see Erwin's response to this. In some ways it almost reads like "pollie speak", when a political leader makes a reassured promise, only to change his or her mind in the future.

Having browsed a bit through what's been said, it almost seems clear in my mind that this forum's days may be numbered. There's too much of a mix of "yay, this is good" and "no it's not" to have anybody's confidence reasonably secure.

Ideally, to live up to its claim as a Christian forum, it should be a theocracy, where the ordinances are structured in alliance with the infallible truth of the Scriptures. CF has never been a theocracy, nor can it ever be a theocracy while there are people in membership whose motives are not aligned with Scripture in terms of acceding to positions of authority and power. Sure, this happens not only here, but in other organisations around the world, but should we not be trying as best we can to make an effort to mirror heaven on earth?

Erwin, as an elder I'm sure that you know the mountainous responsibility that is on your shoulders, not only as a webmaster, but a leader of God's people on this site. Paul made it abundantly clear in his Epistles that men and women like you are commanded to promote the truth and not to lead the people astray. You need to do whatever is in your power to fulfil your calling as a leader, and to avoid that perilous and dangerous judgement that befalls those who do not heed His call.

Now this isn't me saying you're guilty of anything, but it's an exhortation from a brother in Christ to be very, very careful. Satan will attack you from all areas, and your mission will be to have your eyes fixed solely on the goal of final glory with Christ. Now, if that means that CF has to become a distant memory, then you need to have the boldness and courage to make that decision regardless of what others say. It's between you and God in the long run, since only He can perfectly and justly judge. He knows whether this decision is truly based on His prompting you through His Holy Spirit, or mere changing just to please or appease. I don't know, but He does.

Me too , well spoken. I am looking forward to seeing a response to this post as well :

Reasons:
1. To me CF is more than just a website, it is also a ministry, and this vision is something that only Christians understand and appreciate.
2. All our rules and policies, though it may appear generic, have foundations in Christian doctrine and the Bible.
3. This site is Christian forums and although non-Christians are welcome, the target audience is still Christians.
4. A large majority of Christian members will not submit to being moderated by non-Christians.
All of the above points can be challenged and counter-arguments brought forth, but this policy will not change while I remain webmaster.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2851743-excuse-me-erwin.html&page=1 Erwin , correct me if I am wrong but doesnt this pretty much show you have a new vision too? Your new one doesnt match the old one. What happened? Does God change now?

Does this mean CF is no longer considered a ministry? If the world cannot see the difference between the light and the darkness - how does anyone get led? Everyone falls into a pit then.

 

[JimfromOhio]

<~~~~~Drinking coffee and waiting for me to jump in.

 

[ContentInHim]

Well, people change. And Erwin's vision changed for better.

What kind of shepherds on CF? As for "wolves", I don't think that many people come to CF with the intention to harm others. And people who do are called trolls, and are quickly banned.

Maybe the wolves don't know they are wolves - but I doubt it.

 

[*Starlight*]

oh i see. so cos his new vision is more how YOU want it to be NOW its of God? and he got it wrong did he in the beginnin? God's first message got all screwed up in translation. when God spoke to him - before all the emails he talked about. before he got sick of all the different sides and arguments. when his head and heart were clear and fresh and excited. THAT is when he missed God's vision? at least be honest with yerself mate. you prefer it this way? thats fine. but dont justify it to yerself like that.

I'm not justifying anything, I just suggested a possibility... calm down

Ideally, to live up to its claim as a Christian forum, it should be a theocracy, where the ordinances are structured in alliance with the infallible truth of the Scriptures.

Not all Christians believe that the Bible is infallible. So to base CF on that belief would make CF unite only those Christians who agree with it, and it wouldn't unite all Christians as one body.

 

[*Starlight*]

Maybe the wolves don't know they are wolves - but I doubt it.

Well, I've seen people on CF who unintentionally hurt others with what they say... but if they do it unintentionally, then they aren't wolves, they just aren't aware that they hurt someone.

 

[HesMyAll]

Hmmmmm...to be honest, I would be rather keen to see Erwin's response to this. In some ways it almost reads like "pollie speak", when a political leader makes a reassured promise, only to change his or her mind in the future.

Having browsed a bit through what's been said, it almost seems clear in my mind that this forum's days may be numbered. There's too much of a mix of "yay, this is good" and "no it's not" to have anybody's confidence reasonably secure.

Ideally, to live up to its claim as a Christian forum, it should be a theocracy, where the ordinances are structured in alliance with the infallible truth of the Scriptures. CF has never been a theocracy, nor can it ever be a theocracy while there are people in membership whose motives are not aligned with Scripture in terms of acceding to positions of authority and power. Sure, this happens not only here, but in other organisations around the world, but should we not be trying as best we can to make an effort to mirror heaven on earth?

Erwin, as an elder I'm sure that you know the mountainous responsibility that is on your shoulders, not only as a webmaster, but a leader of God's people on this site. Paul made it abundantly clear in his Epistles that men and women like you are commanded to promote the truth and not to lead the people astray. You need to do whatever is in your power to fulfil your calling as a leader, and to avoid that perilous and dangerous judgement that befalls those who do not heed His call.

Now this isn't me saying you're guilty of anything, but it's an exhortation from a brother in Christ to be very, very careful. Satan will attack you from all areas, and your mission will be to have your eyes fixed solely on the goal of final glory with Christ. Now, if that means that CF has to become a distant memory, then you need to have the boldness and courage to make that decision regardless of what others say. It's between you and God in the long run, since only He can perfectly and justly judge. He knows whether this decision is truly based on His prompting you through His Holy Spirit, or mere changing just to please or appease. I don't know, but He does.

Well spoken brother. I would love for Erwin to respond to this post.

If the vision is changing then it wasnt a God given vision.

Amen!

oh i see. so cos his new vision is more how YOU want it to be NOW its of God? and he got it wrong did he in the beginnin? God's first message got all screwed up in translation. when God spoke to him - before all the emails he talked about. before he got sick of all the different sides and arguments. when his head and heart were clear and fresh and excited. THAT is when he missed God's vision? at least be honest with yerself mate. you prefer it this way? thats fine. but dont justify it to yerself like that.

 

[KristianJ]

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Not all Christians believe that the Bible is infallible. So to base CF on that belief would make CF unite only those Christians who agree with it, and it wouldn't unite all Christians as one body.

Which is why I sort of believe that CF is bordering on being untenable, no matter what you, me, etc. believe...

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

I'm not justifying anything, I just suggested a possibility... calm down .

if yer thinkin am in any way worked up makes it easier for ya to ignore what i said, yer have it it mate doesnt answer the question though does it? is it more likely Erwin is gettin it wrong because hes feelin stressed and sick of it all, or is it more likely he got it wrong when God first spoke to him about all this?

 

[foryou777]

is someone who doesn't believe in the Bible really a Christian though?

 

[Lisa0315]

<~~~~~Drinking coffee and waiting for me to jump in.

Hi Jim!!!!

Lisa

 

[MrJim]

Finally, I can use "JimfromOhio" username. LOL

No kidding

 

[*Starlight*]

Which is why I sort of believe that CF is bordering on being untenable, no matter what you, me, etc. believe...

Why? By the way, CF as a site uniting all Christians will sort of reflect all Christianity, which is very diverse.

if yer thinkin am in any way worked up makes it easier for ya to ignore what i said, yer have it it mate doesnt answer the question though does it? is it more likely Erwin is gettin it wrong because hes feelin stressed and sick of it all, or is it more likely he got it wrong when God first spoke to him about all this?

Well, maybe God inspired Erwin to create a website which would unite all Christians, but the way Erwin wanted to fulfill that vision at first was wrong and he finally realized it... now he's trying to fulfill that vision in a different, in my opinion much better, way.

 

[*Starlight*]

is someone who doesn't believe in the Bible really a Christian though?

Christian = follower of Christ

 

[JimfromOhio]

Often people are referring to esoteric as in exhibiting knowledge that is restricted to a small group such as a denomination (as many people are doing)? I agee with you that we can "chat about a particular doctrinal point, rather than about whether doctrine itself is necessary... that is simply knocking out the legs of the argument all together, putting us both into a discussion of what curls our toes on any given afternoon." Healthy debate is good. Doctrines sounds very good and simple but life is not so simple. From my personal point of view that the universe is beautiful and mysterious. I also agree there are people who don't need Jesus to see that. Christian faith is not optimism because it breeds false hope. I believe a Christian should not be either pessimistic or optimistic. If a Christian thinks of their future that caused them to fall back on unreasoning hope. It is a life of FAITH, not of intellect and reason, but a life of knowing Who makes us "go."

God always unites and the devil always divides. Regarding the Gospel, in Philippians 1:17-19 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

The Gospel is being spread regardless. People are hearing the word "Jesus". Before we were saved, our minds & hearts were planted over the years about Jesus from various source. Its the Holy Spirit that convicted us to accept Christ. Not the Church. Church's roles are planting, teaching and exhortation. The Holy Spirit is leads people to the Gospel. We are to spread the Gospel and the Holy Spirit will do the rest. Christ is more than a system, tradition, or belief.

I for one is willing to come back because if this CHANGE.